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teamjd

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posted 05-21-2005 05:27     Click Here to See the Profile for teamjd   Click Here to Email teamjd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I've been pondering selling my timeshare for a while now. I've searched all over and can't find any recent re-sales. I bought a 30 year RTU in a Worldwide Spanish Hotel Chain in Cancun with about 20 years left. The Resort went through a multi-million dollar remodeling a few years ago. When I talk to people who buy from the developer sales presentations (yes, I tell them about TUG), there paying ~$18,000 for a like 1bd/2bath/sleep6. It's about $6000 more than I did 10 years ago. (You can't really discuss resale with guests at the Resort because they threaten to take your first born if you do. There's a 10% Resort owner transfer fee. How do I price it? Should I just take the current maintenence and multiply it by the remaining years, 35-50% of what I paid, best offer? I've read the advice sections, but I'm stumped. It's a great Resort, but there's no turn around.

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Jason

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posted 05-21-2005 06:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason   Click Here to Email Jason     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
It's a no name resort in Mexico with a RTU of 20 years left. I doubt you would get $5000 for a 2bd or $3000 for a 1bd, sorry

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I've been pondering selling my timeshare for a while now. I've searched all over and can't find any recent re-sales. I bought a 30 year RTU in a Worldwide Spanish Hotel Chain in Cancun with about 20 years left. The Resort went through a multi-million dollar remodeling a few years ago. When I talk to people who buy from the developer sales presentations (yes, I tell them about TUG), there paying ~$18,000 for a like 1bd/2bath/sleep6. It's about $6000 more than I did 10 years ago. (You can't really discuss resale with guests at the Resort because they threaten to take your first born if you do. There's a 10% Resort owner transfer fee. How do I price it? Should I just take the current maintenence and multiply it by the remaining years, 35-50% of what I paid, best offer? I've read the advice sections, but I'm stumped. It's a great Resort, but there's no turn around.

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teamjd

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posted 05-21-2005 06:37     Click Here to See the Profile for teamjd   Click Here to Email teamjd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Thanks,
No reason to be sorry. When you put things in print, they become a lot clearer. After just speaking with my resort, I found out that the 10% transfer fee is on the original purchase price. So, a $1,200 transfer fee is close to 3 years maintenence fees. I could not go there for three years and lose almost the same amount of money. Since I doubt anyone would pay $3000 for a 1 bd and then pay what would be to them a 40% transfer fee. Maybe in 3 years things will change, and I'll free up some time. I have no regrets; I love the place, but I just can't get back there. OK, so it looks like I better start becoming familiar with the for rental process.

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Heron

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posted 05-21-2005 06:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Heron   Click Here to Email Heron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I have doubts you'd get a buyer to pay even the transfer fee. No name resorts in Cancun go for $100-$500/week on eBay frequently and often don't sell. So at this point it's fairly likely that you'd end up having to pay money out in order to be rid of it. Finding a way to use it would be a better option in all likelihood.

For resale info - check eBay frequently by setting up a "favourite search" for Cancun timeshares.

Good luck!

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BocaBum99

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posted 05-21-2005 06:58     Click Here to See the Profile for BocaBum99   Click Here to Email BocaBum99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
These Mexican RTU timeshares really are a life sentence.

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boyblue

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posted 05-21-2005 10:08     Click Here to See the Profile for boyblue   Click Here to Email boyblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
How much is yor MF? Unless they're on the low side renting may not be an option because rent will be on the low side. have you thought about exchanging into resorts that you can get to?

Edited to add:

A lot of tuggers own resorts in places they never go. exchanging might be something you may want to consider.
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Hatrack79

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posted 05-21-2005 10:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Hatrack79   Click Here to Email Hatrack79     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
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Originally posted by teamjd:
How do I price it? Should I just take the current maintenence and multiply it by the remaining years, 35-50% of what I paid, best offer?

No, today's value of the RTU is not the sum of future maintenance payments....

Rather, one assessment would be the "difference between equivelent rental and the M/F".

(now....making up numbers for an example)...If I could rent from you for $800, and your M/F is $400, then I "save" $400 per year by owning. In 20 years I save 20x $400 = $8000, at most.

However, I'm not willing to have $8000 tied up in a timeshare for a "breakeven"....my $8k would be in my investment account at 10% (or because TS is fraught w/uncertainties and risks and I need it to be a bargain); thus I might use 10% or 20%;( your milage may vary)...thus, I need to buy your TS for $4000 or $2000 (respectively)...to account for the 'opportunity cost'.

The 20 yr Mexican RTU resale issue isn't unique to your resort...there are likley comparable offerings on Ebay at "no name?" resorts.

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teamjd

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posted 05-21-2005 11:24     Click Here to See the Profile for teamjd   Click Here to Email teamjd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
M/F is $550. I just listed it for rent on one of the web sites recommended by other Tuggers.

Am I allowed to say the resort name? Melia

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Jason

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posted 05-21-2005 11:57     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason   Click Here to Email Jason     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Melia has actually a good reputation so things are looking up
I almost bought one a while back if not for that 10% transfer crap

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M/F is $550. I just listed it for rent on one of the web sites recommended by other Tuggers.

Am I allowed to say the resort name? Melia


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MLMarek

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posted 05-21-2005 15:35     Click Here to See the Profile for MLMarek   Click Here to Email MLMarek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I own at Krystal Cancun, owned by NH Hoteles.
When you said "major Spanish hotel chain" in Cancun I thought it might be NH, not Melia.
I decided to use what I have rather than trying to sell it for almost nothing.
I have had very good success with exchanges thru RCI. especially if you deposit early and want to go somewhere else in Mexico.
I have Xmas 2006 & Xmas 2007 confirmed in Acapulco at Mayan Palace & Grand Mayan. With the MP 4 in 1 rule I will have to find some other chain for a couple years. So I'm looking at exchanging with DialanExchange for Mexico in 2008.
Renting -I have posted ads in TUG and redweek.com but I have not been successful. There is just too much inventory in Cancun.

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teamjd

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posted 05-21-2005 16:49     Click Here to See the Profile for teamjd   Click Here to Email teamjd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
The one thing I like about the Sol Melia chain is that you can do an internal exchange to any of their Mexico resorts at no cost if I understood them correctly. I haven't really tried. If I had the time, I'd go back to Cancun. I'm not too sure about internals to any of their other resorts. 2006/2007? that's great! I can't plan breakfast that far in advance, and I eat the same thing every day. LOL!

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posted 05-22-2005 08:41     Click Here to See the Profile for Hoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
A big problem with renting resorts in Cancun is the "All-Inclusive" packages that are offered by the Cancun hotels. You can often get an ocean view room for a week, in a nice hotel, with air and all meals included, for around $800-$1,000. Many people who are looking to go to Cancun are not going to pay $600 for airfare for two, plus $500 for meals for two, plus anything to rent a timeshare, when they can get it cheaper via an all-inclusive package.

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tonyg

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posted 05-22-2005 18:54     Click Here to See the Profile for tonyg   Click Here to Email tonyg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Aside from the Royals, the Melia is perhaps next best timeshare in Cancun. Last I heard it was not all-inclusive. I don't know if you have fixed weeks or floating. If fixed and between weeks 51 and 16 that would be in peak season and be quite marketable. The 2br unit would be the most desireable. If it's a fixed week in September, that's about the lowest season, but it's still not a giveaway.

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snelson

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posted 05-22-2005 22:21     Click Here to See the Profile for snelson   Click Here to Email snelson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
The question in the title of the thread is, How do you price without resale info?.

One way is to list the timeshare on eBay with a properly prepared description as a no-reserve auction with a low opening price - say $100.

eBay is a very liquid market for timeshares. People who know the timeshare market prowl eBay, and by listing as a no-reserve auction and low opening bid, those people will put in bids that reflect the value of the timeshare. A no-reserve, low opening bid auction screams out that you're willing to sell and those people aren't wasting their time putting in bids. The auction will not go unnoticed and if the timeshare has any value, will generate bids.

Experienced eBay timeshare people here at TUG feel that listing a timeshare on eBay as a I describe will usually produce an auction price that is about 80% to 90% of what you could realize with a conventional ad (properly prepared and appropriately placed). That's not hard and fast; at times eBay auctions may generate a feeding frenzy. And every now and then, someone lists a timeshare and finds exactly the right person who will pay above market for a specific timeshare.

But generally, if you are willing to sell the timeshare quickly and accept whatever the news is about the value, eBay will work.

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teamjd

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posted 05-23-2005 08:52     Click Here to See the Profile for teamjd   Click Here to Email teamjd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Melia is not all-inclusive, but they do have an all-inclusive option available for those who dare not venture out into the world.

After reading all your posts, I have to thank you all. You have opened up a new line of thinking for me. I really enjoy going to the Melia. In going back to the same resort all of the time, I have befriended a lot of the people who work there. A vacation just seems more friendly and enjoyable when people remember you and call you by your name. Since it would be a basic give away, I'm going to keep it and try and rent out the years that I can't go. What can I lose? The maintence fee if not rented. Like I said earlier the tranfer fee is almost 3 years maintenence anyway. Thanks again...anyone want to go to Cancun? LOL...

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zdxlc9p6

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posted 05-28-2005 15:27     Click Here to See the Profile for zdxlc9p6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
We own a Krystal Cancun, and enjoy going there. Unfortunately, we were talked into buying a silver season with the hype of renting it and using bonus weeks for ourselves. Krystal won't allow us to trade our 2BR silver for a 1BR gold time (even on an annual basis). To actually change our ownership is more big $$$ to them. We end up banking 2BR silver with RCI, and usually end up with a 1BR at the Krystal after the extra $165 to RCI. We are 50/50 about letting it go for almost nothing vs. continuing to pay the exchange every year. Now, if anyone can recommend a good cheese for my whine....!

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