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Topic: ease of use on your ff miles
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buzzy TUG MemberPosts: 69 From: york,pa Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 05-21-2005 03:49
I am in the process researching credit cards that give ff miles. I am also thinking of just sticking with my cash rebate cards instead because of all the restrictions that are placed on you were you want to use your miles. What is the opinion of all of you as to whether or not you have had good or bad experiences in using your miles? (Owning a timeshare does not exactly help when it comes to flexibility with your airline reservations either.) thanks all.IP: Logged |
hibbeln TUG MemberPosts: 585 From: Rochester, MI Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 05-21-2005 04:31
We use US Bank Visa's Northwest FF mile card because Detroit is a Northwest hub, so we almost always fly them. I have found I have had to use RuleBusters for almost every flight I book through them FF (which uses a LOT of miles, but gives you unlimited flexibility).IP: Logged |
PamH TUG MemberPosts: 1564 From: Nashua, NH, Marriott Harbor Pointe, FF points Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 05-21-2005 05:45
I use bank of america usairways card. I have usually been able to get the free flights I want or the upgrades I want. Being flexible with dates is usually the key. Pam
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Judy TUG MemberPosts: 1943 From: Melbourne Beach, FL & Steamboat Springs CO. owner: Celebrity Resort World of Orlando; The Ridge Tahoe; Hatteras High; Worldmark. member:II,RCI,DAE,SFX Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-21-2005 06:03
I have the Delta Amex, AAdvantage MasterCard, United Visa and Continental Visa. I acquired these over the years because I couldn't resist the sign-up bonuses and because I've found that each of these airlines has the best service to different places I want to go. It's probably too many cards, but I get to sign up for each airline's idine program this way too. And I like to diversify my mileage because I don't know if one of my airlines will go under. One card or the other always seems to be having an extra miles promo. If I relied totally on credit card miles, I wouldn't ever build enough to qualify for a free flight. I use every possible way of earning miles and combine them with what I earn on the cards. I try to book my award flights 331 days in advance. You're right that with timesharing, it can be challenging. So far I've had the best luck with American on international flights (Bonaire and Belize); with Continental on partner flights (Qantas); and with United on domestic flights (Colorado). For me, Delta has been the most difficult. But I keep building miles on Delta because it's the only major airline that serves our local airport and hope springs eternal. [This message has been edited by Judy (edited 05-21-2005).] IP: Logged |
jgoldmanmd TUG MemberPosts: 151 From: Lafayette, CA , Hyatt High Sierra Lodge, Grand Pacific Palisades, Marriott Cypress Harbour Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 05-21-2005 06:17
I am in the middle of trying to use miles on United and it's not going well. Turns out their mileage plus web site is 2 days behind on availability compared with phone agents. By the time I realized that, I was 1 day too late (330 days out). You also need flexibity ,which is not too compatible with timeshare reservations already confirmed. I also think it is better to use the miles on unpopular flights or very common routes with multiple options throughout the day.IP: Logged |
camachinist TUG MemberPosts: 1600 From: Kerman, CA Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 05-21-2005 07:53
We haven't had any real issues with award flights (predominantly on UA) but I've noticed inventory tightening significantly in the last couple years, as well as being released later (closer to flight date).Tip: If traveling to a popular destination, grab what you can and waitlist for what you desire. Usually, it will come through, albeit late in the game. For example, if Maui is destination, try to snag it for other dates, or even get your dates to Kona or Lihue (both more difficult than Honolulu) and waitlist for Maui. Just be persistent. Be aware, on United, there is a fee for talking to a human for ticket purchases. Not significant, in light of the value being persued, but worthy of mention. IIRC, on award tix, there isn't a fee for changes, but I made need to update. Fees are the newest tangential revenue stream idea, so are always changing  Edited to add that, personally, I carry the UAL VISA, MR VISA and SPG AMEX. Nice mix, given our flight patterns, timeshare ownership and hotel stay patterns. We usually fly on awards 3-5 times per year and stay 7-9 nights on hotel awards per year. Pat [This message has been edited by camachinist (edited 05-21-2005).] IP: Logged |
KevJan TUG MemberPosts: 11 From: Hurricane, UT, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted 05-21-2005 12:04
I use Capital One Miles Reward Program. You pruchase your airline ticket with whatever airline you choose, whenever you choose. I haven't found any blackout dates. This also allows for flexibility to shop around for the lowest fares. When you make purchases using the credit card you are given 1 mile for each dollar you spend. When you have purchased your airline ticket, using your credit card of course, give enough time to post to your account, then call them and give them the date of purchase, date of travel and purchase amount. For example, we flew from Las Vegas, NV to Boise, ID for $202 on Southwest Airlines in February. In March I called and they deducted 20,200 miles from my account which resulted in $202 credit on my card. It's pretty simple. Good Luck!IP: Logged |
Judy TUG MemberPosts: 1943 From: Melbourne Beach, FL & Steamboat Springs CO. owner: Celebrity Resort World of Orlando; The Ridge Tahoe; Hatteras High; Worldmark. member:II,RCI,DAE,SFX Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-22-2005 07:02
KevJan, So with the Capital One card, each mile you earn is worth one cent toward a flight that you find and book yourself? Would you agree that a good use of the card would be for inexpensive flights, costing under $250? Would you agree that it might be more prudent to earn miles directly on airlines (via affinity cards, flights, etc.) for more expensive flights, such as a flight to the Caribbean costing over $700 available for 35,000 miles? (Assuming of course that you don't get the "No, nein, non" from the airlines)IP: Logged |
bellesgirl TUG MemberPosts: 229 From: Farmington Hills, MI Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 05-22-2005 08:43
quote: Originally posted by buzzy: I am also thinking of just sticking with my cash rebate cards instead because of all the restrictions that are placed on you were you want to use your miles.
I will stick with the cash rebate cards. I get about 2% rebate when I use my credit cards and there is no annual fee. $25,000 in purchases gets me $500 in cash vs. 25,000 ff points. With that $500 I can buy a domestic ticket with absolutely "no hassles". IP: Logged |
buzzy TUG MemberPosts: 69 From: york,pa Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 05-22-2005 10:46
quote: Originally posted by bellesgirl: I will stick with the cash rebate cards. I get about 2% rebate when I use my credit cards and there is no annual fee. $25,000 in purchases gets me $500 in cash vs. 25,000 ff points. With that $500 I can buy a domestic ticket with absolutely "no hassles".
The no hassle part is what I like. I just can't help but think about how you can get a $700.00 ticket for $25,000.00 spent on your cc. That is to me the only way it pays. Not for the $150.00 ticket to Orlando. It seems like you get more bang for your buck. IP: Logged |
marcmuff TUG MemberPosts: 1400 From: West Sacramento, California - Owner Edgelake Beach Club (EOY) Owner Krystal Vallarta Registered: May 2001
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posted 05-22-2005 13:59
I use the Capital One Miles One Business Card. I just got a flight to Acapulco from Sacramento (for November) for 35,000 miles. - They have a maximum $700 limit for anywhere in Mexico. The flight I checked and requested sold for $698.00 so it was a good deal. I probably wouldn't give 35,000 miles for a flight to Cabo or Mazatlan. ------------------ Muriel Check out my Websites: www.marcmuff.us http://home.earthlink.net/~marcmuff My pictures are at http://www.picturetrail.com/marcmuff and http://community.webshots.com/user/marcmuff IP: Logged |
Dani Moderator TUG VolunteerPosts: 5118 From: New York Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-22-2005 14:10
Buzzy, Don't forget the many incentives that Amex runs which means that you can rack up a free ticket for much less than $25,000 spent. Delta Amex just ran a double miles promo for two months and do so often. You also get anywhere from 10,000 to 12,5000 miles with your first purchase if you get the Gold card and 15,000 miles for the Platinum card. Regular Amex just had a promo where you could get between 15% and 20% more miles for depositing your Membership Rewards points into frequent flier programs. Also, the Amex Starwood card will get you an extra 5,000 Starwood points for a 20,000 Starwood deposit which translates into 1:1 trade back into most frequent flier programs. You can rack up 25,000 miles very eaily without having spent close to $25,000. ------------------ Danielle IP: Logged |
buzzy TUG MemberPosts: 69 From: york,pa Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 05-22-2005 14:32
That is true Dani, I forgot about all the promos they run from time to time. I did look into the Amex Delta card but didn't like having to just use Delta. Do you know if the STarwood cards gives double miles promo?IP: Logged |
Dani Moderator TUG VolunteerPosts: 5118 From: New York Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-22-2005 14:49
I don't know about Starwood, but many, many people think it's the best Amex for miles. Take a look at the Amex board at www.flyertalk.com. Lot's of discussion there on the Amex Starwood card. You might also want to take a look at the Visa?Mastercard board there. For those with Delta Amex, another double miles promo is coming for all purchases made in July and August . Remember to register for this promo starting June 1st. Edited to add that if you decide to sign up for the Starwood card, go to the information about the card on the Amex site and then leave that page. When you do you will get a pop-up that will give you 4,000 Starpoints upon your first purchase with up to an additional 6,000 points the first year for a total of 10,000 points instead of the regular sign-up bonus which gives you nada for simply making a purchase and up to a max of 6,000 points for Starwood stays. ------------------ Danielle [This message has been edited by Dani (edited 05-22-2005).] IP: Logged |
Icarus TUG MemberPosts: 1784 From: Makawao, Maui, HI Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 05-22-2005 15:08
The Starwood Amex would be a very good choice, unless you want to transfer SPG points to United Airlines. It's doable, but the schedule is 2 points per mile, while most others are 1 point per mile.Another alternative would be to consider Diners Club. In North America, the Diners Club franchise is owned by Citibank, and they are in the process of rebranding the DC card to contain the Master Card logo so that we'll be able to use the DC charge card wherever MC is accepted. You earn one DC point per dollar spent and can transfer DC points to miles at the rate of 1:1 to most major airlines (AA, UA, DL, CO, NW, Southwest, Alaska, America West, Frontier, Hawaiian) and many international airlines (BA, AF, Korean, Thai Airlines, El Al, Virgin, and many others). There is a small fee per 1000 points transferred to cover the excise tax. (I think it's 95 points, or you can pay 95 cents cash per 1000 miles or per SW Rapid Rewards credit transferred.) There's usually an annual bonus for transfers to BA. Recently, as I recall, there was a bonus for transfers to AA. Transfers to SouthWest are 1500 points to one Rapid Rewards credit. As far as the transfer of points to miles is concerned, it's the most flexible of any of the mileage cards. DC is a charge card, not a credit card. DC is expensive, I think it's $85 per year, but it has some benefits not offered by any other card, like primary rental car insurance, except for NY residents because NY law requires your auto policy to provide primary rental car insurance. If anybody is interested in DC, send me an email, since there's a way to get a sign up bonus that gets both the referrer and referral bonus points. If you're interested in more information, go to www.dinersclubus.com and follow the links to Club Rewards. Eventually, there will be a link for the online Club Rewards catalog. There's lots of things you can buy with points besides airline miles, but those are generally valued at around 1 cent per point. I travel a lot, so I carry several cards. In addition to DC, I have the SPG Amex, UA Mileage Plus Visa, AA World Mastercard and a Capital One/Miles One card. UA Mileage Plus has the best sign-up bonus (at least 17.5k using the link at www.united.com sometimes you can find a 20k sign up bonus.) My primary airline is United, so that's the mix that makes sense for me. I generally don't transfer my SPG points into miles, I use them for hotel rewards. In any event, I think that the DC card is much better than the Amex Membership Rewards program (not to be confused with the SPG Amex .. it's a different Amex program). It's more flexible, offers more airlines. It's the only card that covers all the US major airlines at good transfer ratios, and the Amex cards don't offer primary rental car insurance. Regarding the cash rebate cards, I get more value than 2 cents per mile out my airline miles. I use my miles for upgrades and international business and first class awards. I wouldn't use miles for that $150 flight to Orlando. I guess the benefit and value per mile is up to you and how you intend to use your miles. For example, I just purchased 3 first class tickets between Honolulu and Phuket for next March for 120k UA miles per ticket. The cost of those tickets would be over $8,000 each if you were to purchase them in full fare F. On the other hand, I would never purchase them using my own money, so what is the value per mile? Certainly it's subjective, but I value them at much more than 2 cents per mile on this trip. -David
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Lynda TUG MemberPosts: 1042 From: NH-- La Vista, SXM; Westin Club Regina, P V; Sudwala Lodge, SA; La Cabana, Aruba; Caribbean Palm Village, Aruba Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-22-2005 16:50
I have used Continental FF miles - Aruba from Boston this past April, Northwest miles in Feb from Bos to PV Mexico. But both of those programs require great tenacity and several weeks of daily checking abut, sometimes by calling I will get something which does not appear on their site so that is good. BUT- AA is the easiest by far. Last year used it to St Maarten and just booked PV for next Feb. These are all bookings I have just done online with amazing ease. None of that "we have not released those seats yet" crap. IP: Logged |
Carolinian TUG MemberPosts: 5895 From: North Carolina Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-24-2005 15:03
Continental's OnePass has been known for some time as ''None Pass'', but Delta now seems to be getting to have even bigger redemption problems, at least for European travel.Recently, there was a June 1 - Aug.31 blackout placed on use of Delta Skymiles for travel to, from, or in Europe on Air France and KLM. The blackout did NOT apply to their other partners on this side of the pond like Continental, Northwest, and AeroMexico. It was clear that this was a ''Delta thing'', but more recently it has come out why it happened. Delta cut back on award seats to Europe so much this summer on its own planes that SkyMiles members were turning heavily to Air France and KLM to use their Delta Skymiles. That led to the blackout. Delta is now a joke for summer ff travel to Europe. So far, there is no word if this will continue for next summer. I am now wondering if I will be able to burn any of my pile of Skymiles next summer. DAE got me an exchange on the French Riviera in late June, and I'd really like to fly into Nice on Air France. I have always done fine with ff tickets on Delta during the years I held Medallion status, but that ran out in February after I comped my status to Northwest. Now that they are tightening availibility, it is a double whammy. IP: Logged |
KevJan TUG MemberPosts: 11 From: Hurricane, UT, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted 05-24-2005 16:46
Sorry to take so long to reply but I have been busy planning my next vacation to Acapulco in June. The Capital One card earns one dollar, not one cent, for every dollar you spend. Yes, I would say it would be more beneficial to use for less expensive flights. I also use an American Express card for use with Delta flights since my home airport only has flights with Delta and United. It is a small airport and has connection flights to the bigger cities, thus making the cost of a ticket from my home airport very expensive. I can find less expensive tickets from an aiport about 2 hours away but have the travel time and parking costs to consider. (My home airport has free parking.) So, the bottom line for me is to use my Capital One miles for cheaper flights and more expensive flights get the use of my American Express.IP: Logged |
buzzy TUG MemberPosts: 69 From: york,pa Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 05-25-2005 03:00
quote: Originally posted by KevJan: So, the bottom line for me is to use my Capital One miles for cheaper flights and more expensive flights get the use of my American Express.
I guess that is where I just don't understand using the Capital one card. If it is 1 for 1 there are plenty of 1% cash back cards out there and then you can have your same cash without the hassle of the airline.IP: Logged |
Carolinian TUG MemberPosts: 5895 From: North Carolina Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-25-2005 04:24
The general value of a mile is considered to be 2 cents, if used wisely. That makes the return on a miles card 2%, twice the return on the cashback card. For those items where you get double miles, like gas stations, grocery stores, drug stores, home improvement stores, etc. on Delta or Air France Amex, it is a 4% return.The Air France Amex is one of the better mile cards. It is the only one I am aware of where all your card miles count toward elite status, as well as being credited as actual miles. IP: Logged |
lvhmbh TUG MemberPosts: 887 From: Boca Raton, FL Own: Bluebeards Castle, USVI, Costa Linda, Aruba, Vistana, FL Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-25-2005 08:03
I second checking out flyertalk.com. There is an interesting discussion on their forums (maybe miles buzz) about different credit cards and these ff's talk about which they like and why. LindaIP: Logged |
Debbie Brown TUG VolunteerPosts: 1437 From: Oak Park, IL Owner: Swallowtail, Hilton Head, SC; Villa del Mar, Puerto Vallarta and FoxRun, NC Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-25-2005 09:33
I have my best luck using AA miles. Of course, I plan ahead and search for tickets for big trips the day the seats become available. I just booked 4 business class tickets to Phuket with a stopover in Hong Kong. We've also been successful getting first class tickets to Hawaii on a few occasions.Since AA doesn't fly to Missoula, MT where my son is a college student, I've tried using UA, NW and DL miles. The best routes and availability are with UA. NW is OK and DL never has flights available on the right days. As far as credit cards go, I'm also a big fan of Starwood's Amex card. I like the versatility of using the points for hotel stays or transfers to airlines. I find the most promotions, however, with my UA card. And the most promotions in general from AA - cereal, Cinemark cups, various shopping deals have netted me thousands of miles. Deb IP: Logged |
KevJan TUG MemberPosts: 11 From: Hurricane, UT, USA Registered: May 2005
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posted 05-25-2005 12:22
My Capital One card has no annual fee and when I first started using it I was given 15,000 free miles. I pay it off in full each month, thereby paying no interest. There is absolutely "no hassle" with the airlines because you go directly through the credit card to redeem miles. All it takes is a phone call. I just completed another transaction to get another $300 credit on my card for a flight I made in February. I have been extremely happy. If you are going to have tickets that cost more than $250 for domestic flights or $350 for international, it is definitely more beneficial financially to use a different card. It is really easy to earn your miles with everyday purchases like gas, stamps, etc. Happy Flying!IP: Logged |
BillMorrow TUG MemberPosts: 247 From: Middlebury, VT Registered: May 2001
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posted 05-25-2005 16:30
As Icarus noted, Diners Club is now co-branding with Master Card. This means that DC is accepted at just about any place in the world. Additionally, DC's points program is tied to all the major air carriers in the US and many others internationally. They also are tied to all the major hotel chains (Amex discontinued their affiliation with Marriott as of 12/31/04). I have been primarily an Amex user for many years. With this change, my business will be going to DC. Although DC's membership fee is $85/year, they will waive the fee for 8,000 DC points. Additionally, the merchandise available with DC points is >almost< worthwhile for the points needed.IP: Logged |
jfbookers TUG MemberPosts: 235 From: Norfolk, VA Registered: Nov 2002
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posted 05-27-2005 11:42
Going to Vegas soon and wanted to use either USAIR or Continental ff miles. Neither could get me there and back when I needed to go. I am actively trying to use USAIR miles as it seems many are trying to do all at once. While I know USAIR does not have that many flights to LV and I was disappointed until I checked Southwest and found a $218 NS RT. My first Southwest trip and my first NS to LV since my junket days. Yours, JimIP: Logged | |