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Quilter

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posted 03-15-2001 18:07     Click Here to See the Profile for Quilter   Click Here to Email Quilter     
After taking a friend of my daughter's with us on vacation in February (they were 13 & 14) I said I would not do it again without the kids signing a Behavior Contract before leaving.

We're trying it again at Easter (with a different friend). They both think it's a good idea. Well that's a start. Some of you sound like the happiest of families always traveling, traveling, traveling. Got any special tips? Also, what are some things you can think of? I'm hoping this idea will keep attitudes, rolling eyes, "that look", and nagging to a minimum.

Some of the things I've already thought of are:

Kids go to the grocery store (without moaning) upon arrival to pick out things they want.

Towels will be hung up after the shower (each shower).

Each person will rinse their dishes and put them in the dishwasher.

If we are not having a communal meal, kids will be responsible for getting their own food and cleaning up after.

Suitcases will be emptied and clothes put away upon arrival.

Kids will cooperate with each other. They are to be companions and do things together. (The last time it was more like snippy sister's than friends).

Disagreements will be dealt with by reasonable discussion.

Dirty laundry will be put on the washer daily.

10:00 IS sleeping in.

The Golden Rule rules.

Everybody will try to make the best of each situation (the blanket to cover anything not previously thought about).

I'm always open to ideas Suzzanne

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posted 03-15-2001 18:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Debbie Brown   Click Here to Email Debbie Brown     
Suzzanne,
Your rules sound good. It is always a good idea to lay down the ground rules from the start. Then try to relax and not nag too much! :-)

We have taken a number of different friends for different kids on vacation. The key is to pick the right friend. Take someone that you are comfortable with - a child who has spent alot of time in your home, knows the whole family and that you and your husband enjoy being around.

Debbie

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posted 03-15-2001 19:04     Click Here to See the Profile for JBRES1   Click Here to Email JBRES1     
We have a "would you like some cheese with that wine rule" for vacations.
It works like this, I set up a bank for each of my kids for spending money for the trip. If they wine, I warn them and if I have to ask them a second time it costs money fom the bank ( $1.00 per wine).
On our first trip the money went pretty quick, but on the last few trips they have been pretty good about the rule.
I don't put much money in the bank, but to a 6,8 and 11 year old
$30.00 is big bucks. They only went thru $ 4.00 or $ 5.00 each on our last trip.
Only time the fine goes up is when we get into the car at the airport on the way home, then its a $5.00 fine. (gotta pay for the trip some how)
Thanks, Jim Breslin


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posted 03-15-2001 19:12     Click Here to See the Profile for dlsalva     
And the oscar for best way to contol kids goes to....Jim Breslin.

Great idea!!

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posted 03-15-2001 19:16     Click Here to See the Profile for KHolleger   Click Here to Email KHolleger     
We like to keep vacation time "just family" and spend as much time enjoying each other as we can. That said, we took our 14 year old daughter's friend with us last summer when we went to Smugglers' Notch Vermont. The kids were great. Even cooked dinner for us when my husband and I got sick. Did the laundry, cleaned the kitchen, always made their beds (which is better than I did!)

We will invite another of her friends to visit us in Ocean City Maryland this summer for part of the week (she lives nearby).

I think the preparation starts at home, long before vacation time begins. My kids have always done chores and were treated like they were needed in the home (they are!) Kids, all people really, feel better about themselves when they contribute. When they feel better, they act better. Don't start on vacation, though! Start now and work up to it. It takes a long time. Teach them how to work by working alongside them. Praise them often.

A recent university study confirms what I am saying. This study asked teenagers to rate their parents in 2 areas: love and discipline. The only parents who got great results were the parents who were rated high in BOTH love AND discipline.

Kathy, mother of 5 blessings!

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posted 03-15-2001 20:24     Click Here to See the Profile for Lisa   Click Here to Email Lisa     
One of my daughters 15 year old friends brought pot on the airplane to Hawaii from SF. Did the parents care? no way, as the mother considers it to be a holistic herb, and the father stated it is not as bad as smoking ciggaretts! Give me a break, I wonder, being the only adult present on this trip and touting 4 kids (2 teen girls, and 2 boys ages 9, and 11), who would be responsible here, me, or the in-denile parents if caught? Now, we don't bring any of her friends on vacations anymore. Not that they are all going to try to smuggle anything, it is just more of a hard lesson for my daughter and her choices, she now has lost the prevlage of having any friends join her on any trips. I don't think she would try something this daring, as she would be grounded till she's 30!

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posted 03-15-2001 20:50     Click Here to See the Profile for BL   Click Here to Email BL     
We've always taken extras with us -- short of one nightmare on our annual camping trip last summer where my 17-year-old daughter's 19-year-old-friend bootlegged for my 15-year-old son's 16-year-old friend (everybody got that?) we've had no bad experiences.

I tend to lighten up on "chores" quite a bit on vacation. I work full time and have other "on the side" work so I enjoy just being a mom for a week, which means I probably am more domestic on vacation than I usually have time for.

I definitely agree with Kathy -- let everybody know that their cooperation is needed to make this a good holiday, which means that sometimes they put "adult" likes ahead of theirs, and sometimes they get to do things we don't especially enjoy. Amazingly enough, everybody usually has a good time doing things you'd never believe you'd enjoy.

What I love about timesharing is the idea that I don't have to trip over their clothes and suitcases --I can just close their bedroom door because we're in a big enough place they HAVE their own bedroom. It's their holiday too, so a week's reprieve of me stressing out over towels on the floor (which I really, really, really hate) is welcome from their side, and I get much more cooperation in appreciation for me lightening up.

And eventually, when they run out of clothes (or clean towels, because they're all on the floor), they WILL do laundry.

Ain't life fun?

Bev

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posted 03-16-2001 11:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Quilter   Click Here to Email Quilter     
Thanks. I'm listening.


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posted 03-16-2001 17:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathy Datsko     
Quilter,

(no offense intended), I think you're being unrealistic.
Perhaps you have sweet, wanting to please girls. We have teenage boys, and when friends come, they are TEENAGE BOYS.

Our rules:
1) The unit must have 2 bathrooms. The kids get one. Period.
2) The sleeping area they sleep in is theirs. So is ours.
Period.
3) Each kid (ours included) is required to have their own spending money. Some will have more than others. That's life.
We provide: grocery food in the condo, and an "activities planning" fund (more later), which may include restaurants.
4) Any kid that goes with us to the gorcery store can HELP pick out what will be eaten for the week. Some fruits and vegetables are required. Each kid (friends included) will take a vitamin pill per day.

5) We have an "activities fund" (we have a predetermined amount we will spend for everyone to do some things together.) Everyone gets input in how to spend it, and we try to do things we can all do together. Example: if you absolutely do not want to go horseback riding, and everyone else wants to, you can bypass, but you don't get the money, but you might get to pick the video for nighttime. We "tell" them the amount in the "fund", we do keep some aside for things we want THEM to do with US. (But they can decide not to come -often the "friend" will talk your kids into doing things with you!

6) Suitcases empty? We gave up long ago. The rule is, if the room starts to smell, the next meal does not come until the offending item is found and dealt with. Remember they have their own space. Even if they're in the sleeper sofa, they get an "area" that's all their own, which means, you may not have a sofa all week. That's life. If you can't deal with that, be sure to get 2 bedrooms.

7) Every kid will turn in to the parents one set of clean clothes right when you get there. That way, you have at least one outfit for -- airplane home, church, restaurant whatever.

8) 2 p.m. is sleeping in. They must be in a growth spurt.
Everyone must leave notes as to where they are. Try to get a key for everyone. If that's not possible, adults each have their own key & the kids work out the key situation.

9) At least once a day there is some spiritual input. That includes grace at meals, and a prayer at night. You also may be asked to sit for a full minute for prayer or devotion. That is the cost of having to travel with adults.

10) The best idea we ever had: Minimum of 4 people required.
A sign up sheet for jobs at the start of the week. Each day had 3 jobs: cook dinner, clean up dinner, and supervise clean-up of condo at night,(which includes cleaning up if the cleaner-upper didn't do their job). Each person signs up for jobs they want. For example, you may want to cook and never clean up, or you may want to work hard some days & have others off. Doesn't matter.
If you go to a restaurant, doesn't matter, the list is set for the week.

Bring earplugs so you can sleep.

Chill out an enjoy yourself.





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posted 03-16-2001 19:17     Click Here to See the Profile for Frank   Click Here to Email Frank     
Here's what I do for two 13 year old boys:
1) Shop at the grocery for them--totally hook them up--I know what they want--a buncha junk--and if I take them with me they will only want more junk, so I go alone.
2) Plan tons of activities for them and if they don't want to do them, fine, eat the junk I bought for you.
3) We're going to fish, or ski, or snorkel--wanna come? Yes, great, let's go--no? great, see ya later.
4) You went to bed at 4am! Man, I wish I could still do that--guess you're sleeping the day away, huh? Don't forget to eat something.
Truly...the only rule we have in our household is the one I learned in college: Be a gentleman.
Seems to work...if you remind them enough.
Frank

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posted 03-16-2001 20:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Lisa   Click Here to Email Lisa     
Frank, I love you! You hit it right on the nail. lol!!

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posted 03-16-2001 20:24     Click Here to See the Profile for shagnut   Click Here to Email shagnut     
This may sound stupid but be sure you know the child's parents who are going as if they have similar values as yours they will back you up if you do have to step in with any discipline. I always try to get the kids input as to what they want to do first as I am a kid at heart myself. I absolutely will not put up with a sullen smart mouth kid who is not mine so that's why I said it is important to know the child well. See Lisa's report on the pot incident. Unfortunatly I may to be laid back but as long as they don't fight and get ugly I can about handled anything. But of course if you can handle Kelli you can handle anything LOL Not really she is my fav traveling companion.

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posted 03-17-2001 04:12     Click Here to See the Profile for Fletch     
quote:
Originally posted by JBRES1:
We have a "would you like some cheese with that wine rule" for vacations.
It works like this, I set up a bank for each of my kids for spending money for the trip. If they wine, I warn them and if I have to ask them a second time it costs money fom the bank ( $1.00 per wine).
On our first trip the money went pretty quick, but on the last few trips they have been pretty good about the rule.
I don't put much money in the bank, but to a 6,8 and 11 year old
$30.00 is big bucks. They only went thru $ 4.00 or $ 5.00 each on our last trip.
Only time the fine goes up is when we get into the car at the airport on the way home, then its a $5.00 fine. (gotta pay for the trip some how)
Thanks, Jim Breslin


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posted 03-17-2001 06:34     Click Here to See the Profile for JBRES1   Click Here to Email JBRES1     
No Fletch! Because you would just keep saving up the money till you had enough for another week.
Jim Breslin


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posted 03-18-2001 14:00     Click Here to See the Profile for dmk   Click Here to Email dmk     
Hi!
We find that since we require our children to clean up the dishes, put away their clothes, clean up their bathroom, help with the housework, discuss disagreements without arguing and respect us and our privacy at home, we don't really run into a problem on vacation. Their friends seem to watch our kids carefully and emulate their behavior. In fact, we find vacationing with our teenagers to be ten times more fun than when they were little. If you aren't already, start enforcing the vacation rules now and you shouldn't have a problem.

Have a great trip!
Dawn


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posted 03-18-2001 18:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Quilter   Click Here to Email Quilter     
Thanks everyone for your input

Just a note. . .we took the same girl last year and it worked out fine. Everyone was excited before the trip this year (a good sign). Things turned sour about 48 hrs. after arriving with uncooperative attitudes. I was caught off-guard.

After reading the wide range of opinions here and talking to other friends of how they would have dealt with it I feel more prepared. We have one son who's almost 21 and is pretty near perfect But I remember asking people (who seem to have a good handle on functional families) for alot a help. Putting 7 years between the two means I get to do the teen scene again

I feel more prepared for the next trip. Life is full of lessons. The new kid that's going has chores like my daughter and has always been respectful. The other one just didn't seem to want to be there.

Thanks again. I really appreciate the comments. (And no Kathy Dasko, I didn't take offense. Remember, I asked.)

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posted 03-18-2001 19:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Heather     
Hi Suzzanne
I think your idea of a contract is wonderful! It sounds like you may have come up with this list on your own, but I wonder if you selected 'categories', ie, shopping, eating, sleeping in, etc., and asked for input in a sit-down meeting with the girls on what THEY think would be reasonable, they will likely come up with some mature, reasonable answers, and people always feel more comfortable in supporting something they have helped create themselves!!

Planning and addressing all of this in advance sounds like you are setting yourself up for a great vacation. Good thinking!!

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posted 03-19-2001 05:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Quilter   Click Here to Email Quilter     
Thanks Heather, they were points that came up in the last vacation. We will get the girls input before the final draft.

By the way, what entertaining things do you all suggest for the car?

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Last springbreak I took 2 teen foster daughters with me to the Washington Cascades (Worldmark Leavenworth). I took them both to the library prior to our trip and requested them to select a couple of books to take with us. I told them there was only one problem with vacation - that they still had to take themselves on the trip - and if they were bored, it was their own company they'd be having problems with. The elder teen told me upon getting home that she was glad she had the books because she realized what I was talking about. I did have unbelieveable troubles with the younger one.

No longer a foster parent.

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posted 03-20-2001 18:34     Click Here to See the Profile for eslkerry     
I loved reading all of this!!!! The only behavior problem I have is the "oldest" kid - you know, the one I married. I always promise to leave the "teacher looks" at home if they both will behave. Some things are not up for debate and behavior is one of them. This is my vacation too. Luckily, I have a charming 16 yr old son who is TRULY good company. And if I go visit a museum or botanical garden I know that I can have some peace and quiet (since no one else wants to go) :-)


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posted 03-21-2001 09:44     Click Here to See the Profile for Debbie Brown   Click Here to Email Debbie Brown     
quote:
Originally posted by Quilter:
By the way, what entertaining things do you all suggest for the car?

Well, teens probably won't be too enthralled with highway bingo anymore, right? My 4 kids span 12 years so it is always a challenge to find entertainment they will all enjoy. Here's our favorites:

1. Mindtrap audio game - this is a version of the Mindtrap game on tape. Basically, it consists of a series of short mysteries and brainteasers that last 1-5 minutes each. After listening, you would turn off the tape and debate the solution amongst yourselves. It comes with an answer book. We enjoyed it immensely but you can only do it once since after that, you'd know all the answers!

2. Comedy books on tape. Depends on your sense of humor but everyone in my family enjoys reading the Onion newspaper. They have a number of books out. Try The Onion Presents Our Dumb Century : 100 Years of Headlines from America's Finest News Source. We tried other books on tape but it was impossible to find something everyone liked.

3. Show tunes! Again, no one likes the same music but we all know the words to every song in "Rent", "Les Miserables", "Joseph", "Miss Saigon", etc.

Other ideas: separate walkmans, pillows, "Yes and No" magic pen books for those who can read in the car without barfing.

Debbie

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posted 03-25-2001 12:30     Click Here to See the Profile for Quilter   Click Here to Email Quilter     
Thanks everyone. I have been reading everything. Now if we can keep Little Miss P.M.S. out of the car we might have a great trip! I'll let you know.

By the way, Debbie, what's Highway Bingo? 14 year old girls might be big outside but they still hug their teddybears. I'm going to look for the other things you suggested. I love humor in the car. Sometimes we've read aloud Uncle John's Bathroom Reader and it helped tensions after a whole day on the road.

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quote:
Originally posted by Quilter:
By the way, what entertaining things do you all suggest for the car?

We bought "Old-time Radio's Greatest Hits" at Costco for Comedy and Detective stories. It has been great!
Kathy



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posted 03-27-2001 12:12     Click Here to See the Profile for Mel Boeh   Click Here to Email Mel Boeh     
quote:
Travelling with teenagers. How do you make it a positive experience?

My answer: Leave them at home.

Seriously, I'm glad to have caught this thread - we're preparing to take our first "guest" with us this summer and hadn't even thought of some of these issues. Thanks!

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posted 04-02-2001 12:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Lin   Click Here to Email Lin     
The best times of our lives have been our vacations. We've gone on one or two every year since our two boys were born. They're now 18 and 21. Everyone always said, "when they're older, they won't want to go with you." Our youngest is a senior in high school this year and is already sad because he'll be in college next year during my week off in the spring. Our secret? I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we have always made them FAMILY vacations. We do things together and last year was the first time we allowed a friend to go and that was because his brother was in college. We have always found that the boys are so much better friends after we return from vacations because they've done things together. And we've found that they open up and tell us things because it seems that as much as we try, we don't have time to always listen at home as much as we should. We told our youngest he could take a friend this year too since he was along again, but he chose to just go with us. We try hard to do things that the boys would like. For example, we just returned from the Dominican Republic where we rode horses and rappeled down into a cave. It was a memory we'll cherish forever, partly because it was so awesome and partly because we did it together. My pet peeve is parents who don't vacation with their kids. We have a lifetime of memories and our kids have already said the're continuing the tradition. We've never had behavior problems because everything is fun and we don't just "do our own thing" when we get there.


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