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Marina_K

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posted 01-31-2002 11:25

	BlueGreen	Club Sun	Disney V.C.	Equivest
Fees
Annual Fees	$121.90	$87.00	included in mf	included in mf
Reservation fee	none	none	none	none
Banking	None	None	None	None
Borrowing	None prepay club dues	None	none	none
Renting Pts (from the club)	n/a	n/a	n/a	25 cents/pt.
Housekeeping	None	$50/annum	none	none
Transactions	None	None		1 free transaction day, $15 for any extras
Transferring	not sure	n/a	allowed:free	allowed
Guest Cert	don't need one	Free	Free	don't need one
Reservations Periods
Home Week	11 months	12 months	n/a	13 months
Home Resort	11 months	12 months	11 months	n/a
Other Resorts	11 months	10 months	7 months	12 months
Split Weeks	any time, all resorts at 5 months	any time at participating resorts when reservation open	any time at participating resorts when reservations open	any time, all resorts at 6 months
Perks/Bonus	Gold Card : Cash rentals at 45 days	30 days-1/2 pts, 21 days-cash	n/a	don't know
Exchange Co.
Whom?	RCI*	RCI	II-limited	II
How?	D.I.Y.	through the Club	through the Club	through the Club
How much in Pts.?	Up to you	depends on area, week # & unit size	Depends on season & unit size	Depends on week color & unit size
Last Minute?	n/a	n/a	30 days:size upgrades	59 days:al 1,100 pts.

	Fairfield	H.G.V.C.	RCI Points	Shell V.C.
Fees
Annual Fees	included in mf	HGVC-built:included in mf HGVC-affiliated:$79.00	$119.00	Included in mf
Reservation fee	None	Home resort-Free, Others $39.00	Home Week:Free, Home Resort:$40, Others:$15-$69	None
Banking	$20.00	$69.00	$?? waived if there has been 1 transaction during the use year	None
Borrowing	None	None	None	None
Renting Pts (from the club)	$9/1,000:3-10 months, $5/1000:3- months	n/a	n/a	25 cents/point
Housekeeping	1 free per week owned	None	None	None
Transactions	1 phone call/77K pts, email, fax & mail:free, Extra phone calls:$25	None	None	3/4 per year, Extras:$25, but not well policed
Transferring	1/year	n/a	$49.00	No charge
Guest Cert	$25.00	$39.00	$49.00	Don't need one
Reservations Periods
Home Week	13 months	HGVC-built:12-15 months	12-13 months	24 months
Home Resort	13 months	HGVC-built:12-15 months	11-12 months	12 months
Other Resorts	10 months	9 months	10 months	9 months
Split Weeks	non-Prime time:10 months, Any:3 months	Any time, anywhere:9 months	not sure	??
Perks/Bonus	at VIP levels	30- days:Cash rentals, HHonors Silver membership can participate in RCI Points	don't know
Exchange Co.
Whom?	RCI, some II	RCI	RCI	RCI
How?	through the Club & DIY	through the Club	through the Club(for now?)	through the Club
How much in Pts.?	negotiable betw RCI & FF, up to you when done on your own	set # of pts. dependant on week color & unit size	set # of pts. dependant on week color & unit size	set # of pts. dependant on week color & unit size
Last Minute?			45- days:all are 9,000 pts.

	Starwood VO	WorldMark
Fees
Annual Fees	$99.00	Included in mf
Reservation fee	None	None
Banking	n/a	None
Borrowing	None, but you can only borrow at 90 days	None
Renting Pts (from the club)	n/a	4 to 8 cents, depending on use
Housekeeping	None	1st reservation:free, additional:according to unit size
Transactions	None	None
Transferring	n/a	None
Guest Cert	Don't need one	Free
Reservations Periods
Home Week	Fixed/Float week owners:12 months	n/a
Home Resort	see above	n/a
Other Resorts	8 months	All resorts:13 months
Split Weeks	All resorts, any time:90 days	61 days-13 months:7 days split betw diff resorts for Red time, any time for Blue/White 60- days:any time, anywhere
Perks/Bonus	Gold membership in Starwood Preferred Guest prog. Owner/Member discount on rentals	Bonus time: 14- days continental US, 30 days exotic locations Fax time:White/Blue periods, Inventory specials
Exchange Co.
Whom?	II	II & RCI
How?	D.I.Y. generic or specific week
How much in Pts.?	Depends on week asked for	Depends on unit size/season
Last Minute?		RCI-45 days:3000 pts., II-59 days:3000 pts.

*Bluegreen was originally with II. Since it is a D.I.Y., members can use either, as long as the resort is affiliated with the chosen exchange company.

D.I.Y. - Do it yourself. With some Clubs, you may request a week of their choice or even a week of your choice to deposit into the Exchange company.

Transaction Fees
Just to clarify what this is. Some groups like Equivest, limit the number of times you can contact them to conduct business. For Equivest, making a reservation, banking, borrowing, transferring, etc., are all transactions.

Borrowing
Some Clubs require you to pre-pay a portion or all of the next year's maintenance when you borrow points. With most, you can borrow all of next year's points any time during the present year.

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Fern Modena

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From: Southern Nevada
Registered: DEC 2000

posted 01-31-2002 17:36

Wonderful Chart, Marina. Can you have Doug add it to the Admin notes at the top of the page so its kept there? I'd hate to lose it again.

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dlpearson

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Posts: 998
From: Marriott BeachPlace Towers, Marriott Monarch, 7 Mile Beach Club, Vistana Villages
Registered: MAR 2001

posted 01-31-2002 18:48

Awesome Marina, thanks! As a (current) non-points owner, this is very helpful/informative! (clarificationnote: with Starwood, you CAN borrow points from next year, but you must prepay that year's maintenance fee to get them and then are only allowed to make a reservation 90 days out.)

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Marina_K

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Posts: 6170
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Registered: DEC 2000

posted 01-31-2002 18:56

Thanks Fern.

I had a lot of help from Steve AKA Hatrack who saved the old chart and some TUG members whom I spammed. They shouldn't leave their email addresses lying around

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cmay0510

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Posts: 22
From: Falls Church, VA
Registered: JAN 2002

posted 01-31-2002 20:02

Actually, I belong to Sunterra Pacific, which used to be Vacation Internationale. Although SP is affiliated with Club Sunterra, there are somewhat different rules. You can rent points. There are affiliations with both II and RCI, plus an internal exchange program. Fees are $139 per year, including both ClubSun and II dues. (Or, if you prefer, you stick with the SP base program, which worked for me for 10 years -- no requirement to join ClubSun, II, or RCI.) There is a 50% point use reduction for II within 30 days of check-in. Point values are different than with ClubSun, although you convert to ClubSun values if you trade into a ClubSun property (1 SP point = 60 ClubSunterra points). For SP resorts, SP owners have somewhat different point breakdowns than for ClubSun owners trading in (e.g., weekends same as weekdays, some differences in minimum stay). SP also has a maid point system (only valid for SP resorts).

Maybe the best part is that SP is, to my understanding (am sure someone here could correct me if I am wrong!), has separate corporate structure from ClubSunterra, and had assets shielded from the ClubSun bankruptcy.

Carol

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Sam Armstrong

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Posts: 1099
From: Lake Monticello, VA, USA
Registered: DEC 2000

posted 02-01-2002 05:30

Marina,
Thank you-Thank you-Thank you . We're looking into buying a points based t/s . This will help immensely.
Kathleen

sdwrdt

TUG Volunteer

Posts: 231
From: Rochester, MN, USA
Registered: DEC 2000

posted 02-01-2002 12:05

Thank you for all the work you did on it Marina! It looks great!

Sandy Lovell

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Posts: 1476
From: Dallas, TX, VIP Gold Fairfield Points(4 units), HGVC Elite (Bay Club, Seaworld), Tradewinds Cruise Club + 4 others
Registered: DEC 2000

posted 02-01-2002 15:24

What is the difference between reservation and transaction. They seem like the same thing to me.

Can you clarify?

Marina_K

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Posts: 6170
From:
Registered: DEC 2000

posted 02-01-2002 15:51

A reservation would be making a booking at a resort.

I'm using transaction loosely to include all the things you might do, like making a reservation, changing a reservation, banking, borrowing, transferring points, etc.

In Fairfield's case, they allow 1 free Reservation Transaction per 77,000 points. Technically, you can do more as long as it's done in one phone call. For them a Reservation Transaction includes making a reservation, changing a reservation, transferring points. Anything else?? Anything more than 1 phone call per 77,000 points will cost $25.00 each.

This is not as bad as Equivest's which restricts you to doing everything you need to do for the whole year to one day.

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Loes

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Posts: 376
From: Netherlands
Registered: DEC 2000

posted 02-02-2002 10:34

Marina,

Under RCI points you write the reservation period for other resorts is 10 months. Do you really mean all other resorts or all other points resorts only? It was my understanding that a RCI-points member in the US has a reservation period of 24 months for any non points resort?

Loes

Marina_K

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Posts: 6170
From:
Registered: DEC 2000

posted 02-02-2002 11:28

The Reservation Periods for all the groups refer to reservations made at resorts within the group.

Reservations/Exchanges with RCI/II for all groups was not covered.

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