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Topic: Timeshare Loss?
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Maz TUG MemberPosts: 2757 From: Scottsdale,Arizona Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 06:13
Question:Guy buys a timeshare from developer for $15,000. 5 years later sells same timeshare for $5000. What are his options for dealing with his $10,000 loss? Can he write off the loss incrementally for a certain number of years ? Must it be written off against gains he realized from say, stocks etc? Any info would be appreciated!! Thanks-Maz ------------------ My Website Westin St. John Marriott Park City Oregon Coastal Fairfield Points Worldmark/Trendwest Punta Mita,Mx.(Non-Timeshare) IP: Logged |
SOS8260456 Moderator TUG MemberPosts: 268 From: WILKES BARRE, PA, USA Registered: May 2003
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posted 11-23-2004 06:37
Losses on property held for personal use are not deductible. Lisa IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6257 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 06:59
Agree. It's just like selling your personal residence or your personal car. Losses on assets used for personal purposes are not deductible.IP: Logged |
JeffV TUG MemberPosts: 3835 From: Houston, TX Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 07:34
Write it off to experience but don't tell your wife.  ------------------ The latest reviews can always be found at the Western U.S. Review Index Page. IP: Logged |
calihockey33 TUG MemberPosts: 1890 From: So California, USA Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 11-23-2004 07:57
Is there any way to claim it as a rental property, then get the write off?IP: Logged |
Roger TUG MemberPosts: 1621 From: Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 08:10
quote: Originally posted by calihockey33: Is there any way to claim it as a rental property, then get the write off?
Start by reading this: http://www.tug2.net/advice/donate.htm ------------------ Owner since 1996 (a paltry one) TUG member since 1997 IP: Logged |
snelson TUG VolunteerPosts: 6520 From: Belly-View, WA. Owner: Embassy Poipu (floating); Winners Circle (Week 52), Raintree Vacation Club; Club Regina Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 08:38
quote: Originally posted by calihockey33: Is there any way to claim it as a rental property, then get the write off?
In most cases, no. See Dave M's various comments in this thread pertaining to vacation homes. If you own four weeks at the same resort, you might be able to make it work. But with just one or two weeks owned at a specific resort, it's not possible. ------------------ Steve Nelson My Seattle Mariners blog ** I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. IP: Logged |
GinGin TUG MemberPosts: 8680 From: Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 11-23-2004 10:33
We bought developer and sold at a loss, which many thousands of people have done with timeshares. We went on about our life and chalked up the loss to an expensive learning lesson. ------------------ www.picturetrail.com password:gingin (see 19 timeshares we've visited, please lighten screen before viewing) IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6257 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 10:45
Roger and Steve are both correct. Roger is correct with his link that there is an argument to be made for deducting a loss on sale after converting a personal-use timeshare to a rental property. And Steve is correct that any rental loss incurred from that property would almost certainly not be deductible, except as explained at his linked thread.As for deducting the loss after converting the timeshare into rental property, the loss, if any, will be significantly less than the $10,000 as calculated in Maz's initial post. Why? Because as explained in Roger's link, your tax basis for determining loss will be the fair market value (or cost, if lower) on the date you convert the timeshare to a rental property. Unless there is some unusual event, such as hurricane damage, it's likely that the fair market value at the date of conversion will be about the same as what you eventually sell it for. Thus, it's most likely that you will have no deductible tax loss.
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snelson TUG VolunteerPosts: 6520 From: Belly-View, WA. Owner: Embassy Poipu (floating); Winners Circle (Week 52), Raintree Vacation Club; Club Regina Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 13:43
quote: Originally posted by Dave M: …Unless there is some unusual event, such as hurricane damage, it's likely that the fair market value at the date of conversion will be about the same as what you eventually sell it for. Thus, it's most likely that you will have no deductible tax loss.
So can you adjust your basis to reflect any special assessments related to capital improvements? And if so, could you not also allocate your annual fees to ongoing expenses versus capital reserve accounts? (Some timeshare operations show those separately on their fee statements; they're broken out separately on my VRI statement.) ------------------ Steve Nelson My Seattle Mariners blog ** I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6257 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 15:27
What a great set-up man you are, Steve! As I recall, you already know the answers!If the special assessment payments and reserve fund payments are paid prior to converting the property to a rental property, there would likely be no adjustment for purposes of claiming a loss. The basis (i.e., the tax cost) for determining loss is the lower of cost or fair market value, as discussed above. However, for purposes of calculating taxable gain, a special assessment for capital items and the reserve portion of each year's MFs can and should be added to cost. For purposes of calculating a taxable loss (if any), such amounts paid after the conversion to rental use should be added to the fair market value as of the date of the conversion in determining basis. IP: Logged |
Maz TUG MemberPosts: 2757 From: Scottsdale,Arizona Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-23-2004 21:01
Thanksfully we have never purchased a timeshare from the developer...Just resale...I was asking for a friend who did buy from the developer and was considering taking the loss against regular employment income as one would do on a second home that had lost value...Maz------------------ My Website Westin St. John Marriott Park City Oregon Coastal Fairfield Points Worldmark/Trendwest Punta Mita,Mx.(Non-Timeshare) IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6257 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 11-24-2004 06:01
quote: Originally posted by Maz: .... was considering taking the loss against regular employment income as one would do on a second home that had lost value.
The result on sale of the second home that loses value is the same as discussed above. No deduction is allowed for the loss on sale of that property, assuming it was used primarily for personal purposes. That follows the general tax rule, as Lisa states above, that no loss is allowed on property held for personal use. IP: Logged |
jferegrino TUG MemberPosts: 1 From: Registered: May 2004
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posted 11-24-2004 10:24
Think on the positive side, you have the loss (which I do not believe you can deduct, I would recommend seeking an accountant) from the original purchase price, but.....you are saving a great deal of money by not paying anymore maintenance fees.IP: Logged |
BocaBum99 TUG MemberPosts: 1474 From: Registered: Jul 2004
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posted 11-24-2004 15:03
quote: Originally posted by jferegrino: Think on the positive side, you have the loss (which I do not believe you can deduct, I would recommend seeking an accountant) from the original purchase price, but.....you are saving a great deal of money by not paying anymore maintenance fees.
This reminds me of those 60% off discount offers. I can't afford to pass up the deal because for every $100 I buy, it only costs me $40 and I save $60. Since I am saving more than I am spending, I come out ahead, right? IP: Logged |