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Maz

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posted 11-23-2004 06:13     Click Here to See the Profile for Maz   Click Here to Email Maz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Question:

Guy buys a timeshare from developer for $15,000.

5 years later sells same timeshare for $5000.

What are his options for dealing with his $10,000 loss?

Can he write off the loss incrementally for a certain number of years ?

Must it be written off against gains he realized from say, stocks etc?

Any info would be appreciated!! Thanks-Maz

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posted 11-23-2004 06:37     Click Here to See the Profile for SOS8260456   Click Here to Email SOS8260456     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Losses on property held for personal use are not deductible.

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Dave M
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posted 11-23-2004 06:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave M   Click Here to Email Dave M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Agree. It's just like selling your personal residence or your personal car. Losses on assets used for personal purposes are not deductible.

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posted 11-23-2004 07:34     Click Here to See the Profile for JeffV   Click Here to Email JeffV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Write it off to experience but don't tell your wife.

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posted 11-23-2004 07:57     Click Here to See the Profile for calihockey33   Click Here to Email calihockey33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Is there any way to claim it as a rental property, then get the write off?

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posted 11-23-2004 08:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by calihockey33:
Is there any way to claim it as a rental property, then get the write off?

Start by reading this:
http://www.tug2.net/advice/donate.htm

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posted 11-23-2004 08:38     Click Here to See the Profile for snelson   Click Here to Email snelson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
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Originally posted by calihockey33:
Is there any way to claim it as a rental property, then get the write off?

In most cases, no. See Dave M's various comments in this thread pertaining to vacation homes. If you own four weeks at the same resort, you might be able to make it work. But with just one or two weeks owned at a specific resort, it's not possible.

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posted 11-23-2004 10:33     Click Here to See the Profile for GinGin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
We bought developer and sold at a loss, which many thousands of people have done with timeshares. We went on about our life and chalked up the loss to an expensive learning lesson.

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Dave M
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posted 11-23-2004 10:45     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave M   Click Here to Email Dave M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Roger and Steve are both correct. Roger is correct with his link that there is an argument to be made for deducting a loss on sale after converting a personal-use timeshare to a rental property. And Steve is correct that any rental loss incurred from that property would almost certainly not be deductible, except as explained at his linked thread.

As for deducting the loss after converting the timeshare into rental property, the loss, if any, will be significantly less than the $10,000 as calculated in Maz's initial post. Why? Because as explained in Roger's link, your tax basis for determining loss will be the fair market value (or cost, if lower) on the date you convert the timeshare to a rental property.

Unless there is some unusual event, such as hurricane damage, it's likely that the fair market value at the date of conversion will be about the same as what you eventually sell it for. Thus, it's most likely that you will have no deductible tax loss.

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posted 11-23-2004 13:43     Click Here to See the Profile for snelson   Click Here to Email snelson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
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Originally posted by Dave M:
…Unless there is some unusual event, such as hurricane damage, it's likely that the fair market value at the date of conversion will be about the same as what you eventually sell it for. Thus, it's most likely that you will have no deductible tax loss.

So can you adjust your basis to reflect any special assessments related to capital improvements? And if so, could you not also allocate your annual fees to ongoing expenses versus capital reserve accounts? (Some timeshare operations show those separately on their fee statements; they're broken out separately on my VRI statement.)

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Dave M
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posted 11-23-2004 15:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave M   Click Here to Email Dave M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
What a great set-up man you are, Steve! As I recall, you already know the answers!

If the special assessment payments and reserve fund payments are paid prior to converting the property to a rental property, there would likely be no adjustment for purposes of claiming a loss. The basis (i.e., the tax cost) for determining loss is the lower of cost or fair market value, as discussed above.

However, for purposes of calculating taxable gain, a special assessment for capital items and the reserve portion of each year's MFs can and should be added to cost.

For purposes of calculating a taxable loss (if any), such amounts paid after the conversion to rental use should be added to the fair market value as of the date of the conversion in determining basis.

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Maz

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posted 11-23-2004 21:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Maz   Click Here to Email Maz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Thanksfully we have never purchased a timeshare from the developer...Just resale...I was asking for a friend who did buy from the developer and was considering taking the loss against regular employment income as one would do on a second home that had lost value...Maz

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posted 11-24-2004 06:01     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave M   Click Here to Email Dave M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Maz:
.... was considering taking the loss against regular employment income as one would do on a second home that had lost value.

The result on sale of the second home that loses value is the same as discussed above. No deduction is allowed for the loss on sale of that property, assuming it was used primarily for personal purposes. That follows the general tax rule, as Lisa states above, that no loss is allowed on property held for personal use.

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posted 11-24-2004 10:24     Click Here to See the Profile for jferegrino   Click Here to Email jferegrino     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Think on the positive side, you have the loss (which I do not believe you can deduct, I would recommend seeking an accountant) from the original purchase price, but.....you are saving a great deal of money by not paying anymore maintenance fees.

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posted 11-24-2004 15:03     Click Here to See the Profile for BocaBum99   Click Here to Email BocaBum99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
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Originally posted by jferegrino:
Think on the positive side, you have the loss (which I do not believe you can deduct, I would recommend seeking an accountant) from the original purchase price, but.....you are saving a great deal of money by not paying anymore maintenance fees.

This reminds me of those 60% off discount offers. I can't afford to pass up the deal because for every $100 I buy, it only costs me $40 and I save $60. Since I am saving more than I am spending, I come out ahead, right?

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