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Topic: Week 53 where are you???
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hopkie TUG MemberPosts: 40 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 04-05-2005 09:38
Does anyone have an update on what Marriott is doing with these?IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6342 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 09:43
If you fit into the category of being one of Marriott's best customers, you might have a chance. Otherwise, it appears you won't have to worry about spending the money for a week 53. See this thread. IP: Logged |
floyddl TUG MemberPosts: 136 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 04-05-2005 09:44
It has been reported that Marriott will be offering these to their best customers and not to the masses. I guess the more appropriate question would be has anyone received an offer for one? IP: Logged |
hopkie TUG MemberPosts: 40 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 04-05-2005 09:45
hmmmmmm, I wonder if "best" translates into "bought from developer"?? Maybe that's why they're not calling!IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6342 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 09:57
As far as I know, no one at Marriott has disclosed what constitutes a "best customer". My guess is that it's safe to assume that anyone who owns fewer than two or three weeks wouldn't fit into that category, unless there is some overriding factor such as numerous referrals that resulted in purchases.IP: Logged |
pwrshift TUG MemberPosts: 2798 From: Toronto Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 10:45
Still waiting my call. Are there week 53's every year? I thought it averaged once every 7 years. Brian ------------------ Those who dream most, do most. IP: Logged |
Quilter TUG MemberPosts: 1674 From: MI Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 10:45
I emailed my VOA about this. She thinks it's for those with 11 weeks or more. IP: Logged |
floyddl TUG MemberPosts: 136 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 04-05-2005 10:46
Dave, Has anyone been offered one that you are aware of or are they still deciding who and when to offer?IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6342 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 11:08
I don't know. All I do know is that I won't fit whatever the criteria are.IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6342 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 11:33
quote: Originally posted by pwrshift: Are there week 53's every year? I thought it averaged once every 7 years.
In theory yes. Actually, about once every 5.6 years because of the extra days from leap years. And it would likely work that way if it weren't for the various different days of the week on which someone can check-in for a week's stay. Example: At Grande Ocean, Friday, December 31 started the 53rd week of 2004. Thus, Friday check-ins on December 31 were weeks 53 at GO. For 2005, Saturday, December 31 starts the 53rd week at GO and that week has been designated as a week 53. Similarly, for 2006 weeks starting on Sunday, December 31 will be week 53 at GO. End result? GO will have three consecutive years of week 53s. It's relatively easy to check the calendar for most resorts to see what weeks are considered to be week 53.
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ACCfan TUG MemberPosts: 335 From: Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 04-05-2005 11:42
quote: Originally posted by Quilter: I emailed my VOA about this. She thinks it's for those with 11 weeks or more.
I'd love to have that much vacation time as well as the small fortune it takes to buy that many weeks. My guess is that most entities that have 11+ weeks are probably corporations that buy a bunch of weeks. IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6342 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 12:19
...and in keeping with my past penchant for giveaways, I'll give an item (winner's choice) from the TUG Logo Shop to the first person with more than 50 posts (as of the time I post this) who can post in this thread a brief explanation as to how I arrived at "5.6" in my post above.IP: Logged |
Stefa TUG MemberPosts: 17 From: Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 04-05-2005 13:35
I don't have more than 50 posts, but here goes:The calendar cycles every 28 years. Every 28 years there will be a total of 35 extra days. (One for each of the 28 years + 7 for the 7 leap years.) This comes out to exactly 5 ectra weeks. 28/5 = 5.6. Stefa IP: Logged |
ACCfan TUG MemberPosts: 335 From: Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 04-05-2005 13:44
Over a 4 year period, there are 1461 days. Divide this by 7 and there are 208.714 weeks every 4 years. Multiply 52 times 4 and that gives you 208. 208-208.714 gives you 0.714 of an extra week every 4 years. Then create a ration of 0.714 weeks/4 years = 1.0 weeks/x years and do the math and x works out to be 5.602. IP: Logged |
ACCfan TUG MemberPosts: 335 From: Registered: Jun 2003
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posted 04-05-2005 13:46
Ah, Stefa beat me to the post so she deserves it.I honestly didn't see her post beforehand as I was working out the math on my post. We figured it out differently anyway. DaveM, which method did you use? [This message has been edited by ACCfan (edited 04-05-2005).] IP: Logged |
PerryM TUG MemberPosts: 1531 From: Ballwin, MO, Park Plaza in Park City; WorldMark &TrendWest; RCI Points; Windjammer tall ship; SA Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-05-2005 14:03
Another way of saying it is that in the cycle of 28 years (7 days * 4 years between leap years) instead of 4 extra weeks (52* 7 days per week = 364 days; so the 1 extra day * 28 years = 4 weeks of 7 days) there are 7 extra days (or 1 week), therefore 4 expected weeks / 5 actual weeks = 80%. 7 years (the normal cycle time without leap years) * 80% = 5.6 years on the average between week 53’s.Perry [This message has been edited by PerryM (edited 04-05-2005).] IP: Logged |
hopkie TUG MemberPosts: 40 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 04-05-2005 15:06
That's great! Now I know exactly how many weeks I won't be able to buy!IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6342 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 15:11
I used Stefa's method, with Perry's amplified explanation as to why 28 years is significant. I will contact Stefa (with less than 50 posts) and ACCfan (with more than 50 posts) to send each of them their choice of items from the TUG Logo Shop. Nice going, you two (and Perry)! (And for those who wonder, I don't take the logo items off of a shelf. I pay for them!) IP: Logged |
PerryM TUG MemberPosts: 1531 From: Ballwin, MO, Park Plaza in Park City; WorldMark &TrendWest; RCI Points; Windjammer tall ship; SA Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-05-2005 15:15
Second attempt to say it in English.Definition of week 53: Generic timeshare calendars count the first check-in day of the year as week 1. So the 1st Saturday of the year starts week 1, this is the same for Sunday, Monday….Friday. Why is there a week 53? Simple; 7 days * 52 weeks = 364 days. But there are AT LEAST 365 days in the year – we are off at least 1 day per year. Now that week 53 could be a Sunday, Monday…Saturday. But there will ALWAYS be a week 53 for some day of the week each year. ========== If NO leap year ============== If there were NO leap year then every 7 years there would be a week 53 for any day of the week. (Saturday check-in for example): If you had a week 53 for the last Saturday of the year, this year you would have the next one 7 years for the next week 53. So week 53 is Saturday this year, and Sunday is week 53 the next year, then Monday is week 53 the year after that. In 7 years the cycle would repeat – Saturday will again be week 53. The smallest cycle time for this scenario is 7 years before we repeat. In those 7 years we will then have 7 extra days and thus the cycle repeats. ============ throw in leap year ============= BUT there is a leap year each 4 years. In those years there are 366 days or 2 extra days that year. So how to account for this? You must look at the smallest cycle time until the calendar repeats which is 28 years. 7 different days of the week times a 4 year leap cycle = 28 years before the calendar finishes the cycle and repeats. In those 28 years leap year will happen 7 times (28/4). So in 28 years there will be 28 normal extra days (4 weeks) plus 7 extra leap year days (1 week). Now we take the ratio of the 4 normal extra weeks and divide by the 5 actual weeks = a ratio of 80%. Take this ratio and multiply it by the 7 days in a week = 5.6 Years, on the average, before the cycle repeats. Perry Ok I changed days to years. Do I need a 3rd edition? [This message has been edited by PerryM (edited 04-05-2005).] IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6342 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 15:24
I agree with everything you said, Perry, until your last line.Having a week 53 every 5.6 days is a good change that should allow all of us to take advantage of the additional weeks! IP: Logged |
pwrshift TUG MemberPosts: 2798 From: Toronto Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 16:29
Geez...if they were all lockoffs that would be 22 weeks of timesharing a year! Those people wouldn't have any more time available to take holidays! Imagine 11 maintenance fees a year! Brian quote: Originally posted by Quilter: I emailed my VOA about this. She thinks it's for those with 11 weeks or more.
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Quilter TUG MemberPosts: 1674 From: MI Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-05-2005 21:31
You're assuming they use their weeks. Some people buy with the intention of renting and then reselling. Now I can't remember the exact details but I heard of one buyer who got 12 (?) Aruba Surf Club weeks and plans to turn many back to Marriott for rentals. On a more personal note, we bought weeks with the plan to travel during the winter months once our youngest was in college and my husband was semi retired (or retired). Therefore, we have weeks that are banked, have been rented or used by friends. When we bought our Aruba week it was with the plan it would be rented for the first 4 years. (We currently have a contract with Marriott for year 3). After that, maybe we'll keep it, maybe we'll sell. Not all of the 11 weeks need to be costly ones either. Couldn't some be silver Manor Club resales. Even platinum Manor Club preconstruction weeks are great for trades or turning in for points. IP: Logged |
fnover TUG MemberPosts: 87 From: Annandale NJ USA Registered: Jul 2001
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posted 04-07-2005 07:16
I received the following in a letter, in response to my inquiry, from MVCI owner services on March 4, 2005; "Our management teams are currently meeting to determine what we will be doing with week 53 in 2005.MVCI is considering a type of lottery for Saturday check-in for week 53 and the Sunday check-in for week 53 in 2006. If we choose to offer week 53 to owners in 2005, you will be notified by mail of our booking procedures." Since I have not heard from them I assume they decided to offer week 53 to their "best customers" without bothering to notify anyone officially by mail as they said they would. Fred------------------ Kauai Beach Club [This message has been edited by fnover (edited 04-07-2005).] IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6342 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-07-2005 08:09
That's a very interesting letter! I think it's poorly worded and means something other than what you concluded. I believe it means that Marriott may be reconsidering what to do with week 53s for 2005! I believe all 2005 week 53s are Saturday check-ins and all 2006 week 53s are Sunday check-ins. The letter clearly states that Marriott "is considering a type of lottery for Saturday check-in for week 53...." To me, that suggests that those of us who are not Marriott's best customers may yet have a chance at a 2005 week. That seems to be confirmed by, "If we choose to offer week 53 to owners in 2005, you will be notified by mail of our booking procedures." IP: Logged |
PerryM TUG MemberPosts: 1531 From: Ballwin, MO, Park Plaza in Park City; WorldMark &TrendWest; RCI Points; Windjammer tall ship; SA Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-07-2005 09:28
Marriott owes it to ALL Marriott owners to define “Best customer” if it is indeed using the definition of a “Best customer” to discriminate between Marriott owners. I don’t think that the definition has been given.Until now Marriott has only allowed one owner to have special privileges over another Marriott owner in one case - the 13 month booking rule. There are no discounts offered to Marriott owners who own 10 weeks or 1 week or even to brand new owners. I personally think that Marriott is headed down a very slippery slope by pitting one owner against another owner. However, many developers do encourage a certain group of owners be given privileges over another group of owners. But the least Marriott can do is to announce this new privilege – if it does indeed exist. Perry IP: Logged |