posted 03-11-2005 05:38               

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Originally posted by roadsister:
Rich,
Thanks for the info...I did not see that or did not go "through" it before...

My questions follow:

1. Have wmowners.com tried to get the mailing addresses?

Boca -
1. Why in the world would Rhonda want or try to get the mailing addresses?????? According to Rich's post, he, you, I or anyone could get it if the reason was in the interest of the club.

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I recall some WM members trying to get the list and not getting it. A very creative and experienced board member could get an agenda item recorded in the minutes through some parliamentary procedure to get the list of members discussed in the board minutes. And, somehow use that pressure to get the issue of the list discussed, debated and addressed. This is what politics is all about. I doubt that we could ever get the list for reasons that PA mentions. However, maybe it is possible to get it escrowed or something if there is enough political pressure placed on Trendwest with heavy financial backing from someone who can afford it and cares. There would be release conditions on the escrow that would form a credible threat to Cendant for doing anything to screw the owners over.

posted 03-11-2005 06:24            

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Originally posted by roadsister:
Rich,
Thanks for the info...I did not see that or did not go "through" it before...

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Check here: http://www.tug1.net/tugbbs1/Forum20/HTML/002329.html
We went through the same exchange before...

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Originally posted by roadsister:
My questions follow:

1. Have wmowners.com tried to get the mailing addresses?
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wmowners.com is a domain name and a website. I don't know how a domain/website would request something. It has to be done by a club member.

posted 03-11-2005 14:45               

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Originally posted by RichM:
wmowners.com is a domain name and a website. I don't know how a domain/website would request something. It has to be done by a club member.

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In a hundred years when computers reach the point of sentience, then it will be possible for the domain name to make the request. It may also be the same time that Cendant release the WorldMark owners list.... for 2005

posted 03-11-2005 18:15               

I know there were a couple members TALKING about getting the list but didn't read anything about someone actually ASKING for it and getting turned down. Can you recall.

Rich,
My gawd, I totally don't remember that thread. Thanks.
I guess my question was taken a little to literally....what I meant to ask is whether owners that posted about getting the list on wmowners site actually asked for it....wait....I think they were talking about getting the email addresses of owners right? And that isn't stated in the bylaws as being open to the public.

posted 03-12-2005 06:55            

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Originally posted by PA:
The only way Rhonda will get that list is with a court fight. I suspect Rhonda will have to pay her legal expenses herself, since I doubt the board would vote to have Worldmark pay for it. Trendwest can use Worldmark money, Cendant money, or thier own, at their discretion for their legal expenses.

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Not only is disclosure of the list required by the Bylaws, it is also a matter of Washington law:

RCW 64.36.330
Membership lists available for members and owners -- Conditions -- Exclusion of members' names from list -- Commercial use of list.

(1) Concerning any timeshare offered or sited in this state, it is unlawful and a violation of this chapter and chapter 19.86 RCW for any person, developer, promoter, operator, or other person in control of timeshares or the board of directors or appropriate officer of timeshares with such responsibilities, to fail to provide a member/owner of a timeshare with a membership list, including names, addresses, and lot, unit, or interval owned, under the following circumstances:

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(c) Upon written request sent by certified mail of a member of a timeshare to the board of directors or appropriate officer of the timeshare or an affiliated timeshare.

(2) The board of directors of the timeshare may require that any applicant for a membership list, other than the department, pay reasonable costs for providing the list and an affidavit that the applicant will not use and will be responsible for any use of the list for commercial purposes.

(3) Upon request, a member's name shall be excluded from a membership list available to any person other than the director of licensing for purposes of administering statutes that are its responsibility. Such persons shall make their request for exclusion in writing by certified mail to the board of directors or the appropriate officer or director of the timeshare.

(4) It is unlawful for any person to use a membership list obtained under this section or otherwise, for commercial purposes, unless written permission to do so has been received from the board of directors or appropriate officer of the timeshare. Wilful use of a membership list for commercial purposes without such permission shall subject the violator to damages, costs, and reasonable attorneys' fees in any legal proceedings instituted by a member in which the member prevails alleging violation of this section. Members may petition the courts of this state for orders restraining such commercial use.

posted 03-12-2005 07:59            

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Originally posted by ragtop:
Not only is disclosure of the list required by the Bylaws, it is also a matter of Washington law:

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Yep, I remember this also being mentioned by the person who tried to obtain it.. Apparently TW still didn't care. Their legal track record, however, speaks for itself.

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posted 03-13-2005 20:32            

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Before you get too warm, Swarty, understand that Trendwest was required by the bylaws to have a token "non-Trendwest/Cendant employee" on the board of directors.

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posted 03-16-2005 09:34               

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Originally posted by BocaBum99:
roadsister,

I remember reading about a member who tried to get the list per the bylaws and was denied. It's on wmowners somewhere.

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Thanks Boca, I knew I read it there somewhere.

posted 03-16-2005 09:36               

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Originally posted by PA:
Rich's post indicated that we are entitled to the list, not that we "could get it if the reason was in the interest of the club".

The interest of the club is not important to Cendant, it's the interest of Cendant that matters to the WM BOD, unfortunately.

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PA,
Sent you a PM regarding your post.

posted 03-16-2005 09:50               

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Originally posted by JulieH:
[QUOTE]Before you get too warm, Swarty, understand that Trendwest was required by the bylaws to have a token "non-Trendwest/Cendant employee" on the board of directors.

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To piggyback on your thought, Rhonda was a member who went to the board meetings for over a year on her own dime just to see what it was about, get an understanding of how the organization functions, etc. A great credit to her commitment to WM owners in my opinion