posted 07-01-2004 17:52               

I will no longer be visiting TUG as a direct result of censorship I received on here this week while trying to warn tug users of the up-front scam timeshare salespeople harvesting names and calling tug members. I meant only good by my posts as these "salespeople" are crooks plain and simple. A tug volunteer said I violated the rules (he has since begun to backpeddle when I asked exactly where in the rules I violated) and has censored me which makes me angry as these boards are suppose to allow creative expression, free thought, and at times vigerous discussions - all of which die immeidately with censorship.

I learned alot, bought and enjoyed a wonderful SW FL timeshare at an excellent price (presently "being disposed of" aka - watch those rules),and am currently purchasing a townhouse in the same area. TUG has literally saved me thousands of dollars and I wish it will. The volunteers need to walk a fine line but when ever in doubt do not censor it does no one good in most cases. Bye!

posted 07-01-2004 18:06               

I don't see anyone who editied your post from an Admin or Moderator from Tug. It looks like the post you wrote is still intact. No edits from anyone.

Is there another place we could check out?

posted 07-01-2004 18:56               

In a series of e-mail exchanges earlier today, I explained my rationale to him and invited him to write to one of the administrators if he wished to complain about my deletion. I even gave him their e-mail addresses.

Leaving TUG seems like a drastic measure merely because he isn't permitted to post the same info three times within an hour or two.

posted 07-01-2004 19:23               

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posted 07-01-2004 20:07            

If he deleted or edited your post it was for a good reason ... more than likely a TUG rule violation of some sort, so please reconsider your leaving us.

posted 07-01-2004 21:34               

I'm not sure the second thread needed to be deleted, but I don't think the deletion of the thread is worth leaving TUG over. Please stay!

posted 07-02-2004 06:41               

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Originally posted by tonyg:
TUG members have no rights at all.

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posted 07-02-2004 08:40               

Btw You do know that moving the thread here was the right thing to do, right.

posted 07-02-2004 12:09               

The Conch man said what many don't have the guts to say. Thanks Conch Man.

Dave M is one of the better volunteers, as is Ken, Sharon and others.

The problem I see is that the censorship/rules enfocement is very selective. The derrogatory comments made by Tugs leadership is more damaging than the rules voilations by Tuggers.

Tuggers are more interested in licking boots of the Tug power brokers than standing up for the respect of some good posters...

Sometimes I wonder if certain Tuggers name is searched out to see what their posts are by certain individuals...

posted 07-02-2004 13:24               

One person complains that moderators shouldn't police everything so closely to make sure it complies with the rules. In other words they need to be more selective.

Another person complains that moderation is too selective.

So right there we see it is impossible to satisfy everybody.

Let me tell you, NOBODY likes to have to step in and moderate anything. A moderator is most happy when his/her area of responsibility is running smoothly and requires no moderation at all. Moderation is a major pain, requires a lot of extra effort, and is sure to generate a load of grief for the moderator who has to jump in and do it. Nearly everyone when moderated takes umbrage thinking they are being singled out and points to somebody else who they don't feel is being moderated to the same extent. What is really frustrating from a moderator standpoint is that the very person being pointed to as getting a "free pass" is also often complaining about the first guy "getting away with murder". Since most communications take place behind the scenes in private email nobody knows what has or has not taken place with the "other guy".

The moderators do the best that they can in a thankless job that generally creates nothing but grief for them. I'm constantly amazed that we can get anybody to do it at all.

posted 07-02-2004 20:26               

Doug deleted Jeff's post and mine which wasn't so bad. Why don't we just lock this thread.

posted 07-02-2004 20:34               

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Originally posted by KauaiMark:
If you want to see just what an "un-moderated" TUG BBS might be like, check out almost any of the Yahoo stock boards. It's not pretty and almost usless an an "information tool"

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...and there are many examples of unmoderated boards that get along just fine.

The problem here is the us-and-them approach foisted on the timesharing community by particularly RCI. It's Points vs. Weeks. It's rentals-hurt vs. rentals-don't-matter. It's RCI-as-good-guys vs. RCI-as-bad-guys. This is translating into TUG-moderators-and-some-posters vs. other-posters that has become almost religious in its fervour. Certainly religious in that facts seem to be left by the wayside in most discussions. It is belief that appears to count most. And with belief systems the tension becomes palpable when challenged.

As said by JLB on another thread, let's ALL - as in posters and moderators - start to cut one another some slack. When you post a message, say it out loud and pretend that the person you are saying it to is right in front of you. Would you say it that way if you had to say it in person to his/her face? Also, if you wish to vent, then write your post but wait 30 mins before sending it. Re-read it again 30 mins later (or even 30 s later), and if you feel the same way then post it.

Alan

posted 07-03-2004 08:19               

Maybe we ought to start giving more thought to the opposing view rather than standing so hard and fast on our own position.

posted 07-07-2004 23:25               

I like coming to the board because I can read and post about almost anything. I know that I can write something thinking I am providing good info and then find out that I stuck both of my size 13's in my mouth. When I do that, I hope that I am edited, deleted, banned or whatever. I am not here to insult folks or to break rules.

I continue to support the volunteers in all the work and grief they have to do and put up with.

posted 07-08-2004 05:53               

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Originally posted by alanmj:
...and there are many examples of unmoderated boards that get along just fine.

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I fully agree; consequently, those who don't like the format (and rules) involved with using this BBS can feel free to join one of those. I always like to point out that it is like different makes and models of automobiles - if we all had the same opinion, there would only be one brand! That's why I never criticize anyone's vehicle choices (unless asked). Same is true of the many BBS choices. Nobody make anyone join or remain a member, so if you don't like it.....

posted 07-08-2004 07:58               

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