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Paulamurf

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posted 05-05-2005 13:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Paulamurf   Click Here to Email Paulamurf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I just joined this forum. LOVE IT : )

Anyways, can anyone tell me about Shenandoah Crossing? I see it listed on the bluegreen site - and it looks like just what I am looking for - heres what I would LOVE to know -

The person selling says he has 3 weeks - one red, one white, one blue - all on one deed - I thought Bluegreen was points - is Shenandoah crossing sold other ways or just through BG points?

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Will my 4 year old have enough to do? (How old do you have to be to go on the trail rides?)

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aliikai2

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posted 05-05-2005 14:28     Click Here to See the Profile for aliikai2   Click Here to Email aliikai2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply

CZ is our resident BG expert, but what they are selling is called a UDI ownership.

How it works is that you can use one week from each season to make reservations, until that week is used.

Confused?
I was too for quite a while. For example, say you bought in and it closed by July. So say that this years weeks had been used, so you make your 3 reservations for next year, like a week in January, March, and July. As soon as you use the January week, you can reserve another one of the same color and so on.

On this one the use fees because of the horses etc make it about $150 a week over you annual fees. But if you use it it's a bargain.

CZ, uses his Christmas Mountain to get 14 or 15 weeks a year, and since their use fee is only $55 or so he really comes out.

I hope he chimes in here to really explain this. fwiw, Greg

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lawren2

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posted 05-05-2005 14:41     Click Here to See the Profile for lawren2   Click Here to Email lawren2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
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Originally posted by Paulamurf:
(How old do you have to be to go on the trail rides?)


Welcome to TUG Paula! Lots of good folks and info here.

I can't answer for the timeshare but can answer for a 4 year old and trail riding. I wouldn't advise it. If the resort offers a 15 minute "lesson" in a corral or pony ride on a lead it would be much more appropriate for your 4 year old.

Horses are unpredictable prey animals. Even the oldest and gentlest of horses can "spook" at the most innocuous of things; and young children ( mine started his mini-lessons at 3) have only a short focus time.

I clicked on your topic because I was interested in trailoring down our horses for a timeshare vacation with them

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Tom52

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posted 05-05-2005 15:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom52   Click Here to Email Tom52     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
If Bluegreen is still selling at Shenandoah Crossing they would be selling points. The UDI ownership you are considering was sold before Bluegreen owned the resort so they are only available now on the resale market. UDIs are great if you like to visit that resort frequently, or if you are trying to generate RCI points, (you would have to also own at an RCI resort to do this).

Maintenance fees are fairly high on a UDI at Shenandoah Crossing, so it only makes sense to buy one if you intend to "work" the system.

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rapmarks

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posted 05-05-2005 16:57     Click Here to See the Profile for rapmarks   Click Here to Email rapmarks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Also I believe that the cleaning fee per week is a lot higher than at Christmas Mountain, maybe $100. If you want to go to Shenendoah Crossing a lot or you own an RCI points account this may be for you.

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Patri

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posted 05-05-2005 18:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Patri   Click Here to Email Patri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
We were there for a t/s presentation. There isn't that much to do onsite. Indoor pool is small. There is also a small outdoor one. Game room is icky. Mini golf is fun. They have a remote control car track. Golf course nearby. Units stand alone, so plenty of privacy. I think you can take out paddle boats and also go fishing. But no swimming in lake, I don't think. It's not a place I would go back to, but if you do the horse thing, it could be good.

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nthc

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posted 05-05-2005 19:19     Click Here to See the Profile for nthc   Click Here to Email nthc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I think Massanutten would better suit your needs with a growing family. www.massresort.com


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cz

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posted 05-05-2005 19:43     Click Here to See the Profile for cz   Click Here to Email cz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Greg, thanks for the complicment but I am not a "expert on Bluegreen".

I do known bit about the CMV UDI's.

The last time I talked to John Turner he said he owned 5 SC UDI's so he would be a good one to contact.

I think Spense also owned a SC UDI.

From my understanding there are 2 differant 2 bedroom UDI unit types at SC.

I am not sure if both unit types are afillated with II and RCI for exchange purposes like both types of our CMV UDI's are.

Check with your seller on which unit it is. I think one of the units is bigger and has more amenities.

If you would like to call us on how the UDI reservations work feel free to give us a call. We are leaving tomarrow for Door County Wisconsin and will return Tuesday.


Rapmarks gave some good basic information and Tom 52 is correct in that those SC UDI's are only available as resales.

If you are into RCI Points then this SC ownership is worth looking at. But if you are thinking of only using 3 weeks a year or less then this may not be the one for you.

I have not tracked the SC UDI ownership pricing on ebay auctionsfor about one year. About one year ago they were mostly selling at $300 to $1,000 for a SC UDI maybe those prices have gone up. You could check the ebay completed for any SC UDI's sales that may be listed for the past month or so.

IMHO the reason that the SC UDI resale prices were so low last year is that if the this SC UDI is not used for many weeks then the high maintenance fees can be a problem.

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Originally posted by aliikai2:

CZ is our resident BG expert, but what they are selling is called a UDI ownership.

How it works is that you can use one week from each season to make reservations, until that week is used.

Confused?
I was too for quite a while. For example, say you bought in and it closed by July. So say that this years weeks had been used, so you make your 3 reservations for next year, like a week in January, March, and July. As soon as you use the January week, you can reserve another one of the same color and so on.

On this one the use fees because of the horses etc make it about $150 a week over you annual fees. But if you use it it's a bargain.

CZ, uses his Christmas Mountain to get 14 or 15 weeks a year, and since their use fee is only $55 or so he really comes out.

I hope he chimes in here to really explain this. fwiw, Greg

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Blitz

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posted 05-06-2005 01:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Blitz   Click Here to Email Blitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
We love Shenandoah Crossing although my kids are older. You can read my reviews in the review section.

Your are most likely looking at someone selling their UDI. We purchased the same way and converted to Bluegreen. Maintenance fees are high with the UDI. This purchase will not get you Bluegreen points, you would have to convert. If you live close and can visit often, the UDI is great. We live further away and can only visit once a year so conversion made more sense for us.

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mrspigdoc

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posted 05-06-2005 03:09     Click Here to See the Profile for mrspigdoc   Click Here to Email mrspigdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I love the peace and scenery of SC. I already have two vacations planned to go back...the horses were great fun..A four year old would have a good time. I believe that you have to be seven to go on the trail rides. They have a small petting zoo with goats and sheep and ducks. The lake is for boating and fishing. There is a great playground for children. There are three different cabin sizes. The resort is the smallest, the deluxe is the next. I stayed in the deluxe and it was fine...two bedrooms and one bath. The grand cabin has two bathrooms and a screened porch. I considered the UDI, but I know I wasn't going to go there three or four times and year, and didn't want the effort of making it work for points for deposit, so I bought Bluegreen points resale. I am very happy with my strategy. If I lived closer I would definately have done the UDI though...they were cheap on ebay last year. Teresa

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Paulamurf

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posted 05-06-2005 06:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Paulamurf   Click Here to Email Paulamurf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Wow - Thanks everyone for the fast responses!

So, if I am understanding this, I can book one week of each color at a time, and then when the week is used, I can immediately book another one - COOL - LOL.

My son is already riding (lessons) and I took riding lessons for about 15 years, so I have been looking for a place where we could ride.

Do you know if as a UDI owner do you get the same $$ on the extras as if you were a Bluegreen owner?

Can I rent a week there if I cant use it?

Thanks again for all the fast responses.

Also - for the person who transferred the UDI into Bluegreen what was the cost on doing that?? and how many BG points did it become??

Thanks!!
Paula

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Tom52

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posted 05-06-2005 10:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom52   Click Here to Email Tom52     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
If you are interested in BG points I wouldn't purchase the UDI then convert. BG will charge an arm and a leg plus you have the cost of the original purchase of the UDI. If you want points purchase them resale. BG points are available from $0.35 - $0.45 per point, sometimes less. But it will take a bunch of points to get one red, and a couple white weeks each year that you can get from the UDI. Maintenance fees on that many points will also probably be higher the the maintenance fees on the UDI. However, BG points will give flexibility to book at other BG resorts.

You need to determine exactly how/where you intend to vacation, then it is easy to determine what type of TS ownership best fills your needs.

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mrspigdoc

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posted 05-06-2005 12:24     Click Here to See the Profile for mrspigdoc   Click Here to Email mrspigdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
One more thing to remember, in addition to the approx $900 maintenance fees, you have to pay $15/night, or $105/week, which means your actual usage costs about $1200/year. I love the place, and have always been tempted to buy one of the UDI contracts, but I am very glad I have the bluegreen points. Bluegreen "charges" very low points for during the week...about 525/night, and about 1500/night for Sunday, so if you wanted to go on a 5 day vacation to SC using points, it would cost you only $187 in maintenance fees for a Sun-Fri stay (leave fri am)). The points allow a great deal of flexibility. I just took some of the other teachers for a weekend there...Fri and Sat are very expensive...about $280 for the two nights (I multiply the number of points used to the .052 maintenance fee per point) A red week would cost $468 in maintenance fees. You have to determine how you would use the UDI time vs how you could use points. I look forward to using my points at the other bluegreen resorts too (the flexibility is probably the biggest factor for me to use points)

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posted 05-06-2005 16:24     Click Here to See the Profile for rapmarks   Click Here to Email rapmarks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
If you are interested in Bluegreen points, go to the Bluegreen Group on Yahoo. Michael Terry, aka ticketman, has really good deals on points and high satisfaction from other members of the bluegreen group.

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posted 05-07-2005 06:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Blitz   Click Here to Email Blitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
It may be cheaper to buy resale and travel to BG then to buy this UDI and convert. Basically they give you book value (what people paid) for your UDI and then you choose what BG package you want. So you do pay more than resale, but work in the difference between what they give you and what you paid.

We didn't know about Bluegreen before buying. We bought because it seemed like a good deal on EBay. Conversion worked best for us in our situation. Maintenance fees are high as mentioned in a previous post. For that reaons alone (since we were already committed) we would "get our money back" after a few years based on savings in maintenance fees alone.

You need to work in your own circumstances. I see you are from CT also and it is quite a drive down. That's why we knew we wouldn't get there enough to enjoy the multiple weeks you can get. Plus we both work and have to work our vacations around the school year.

Check out Bluegreen resales as part of your decision making. Yahoo also has a bluegreen group you may want to visit and ask questions. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bluegreen/

Take in all the advise and make the decision that works best for you.

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Paulamurf

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posted 05-07-2005 09:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Paulamurf   Click Here to Email Paulamurf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Hi again everyone!

I have decided to go forward with this purchase, I checked out the bluegreen points, but since I really am specifically interested in SC mostly because of the horseback riding, and the location is exactly halfway between my house in CT and my Mother in TN -I spoke with cz and now understand better how this whole thing works and I hope to someday, have as many contracts as cz!!!

So, if anyone else is selling UDI's at Shenandoah Crossing, I would DEFINATELY be interested!! LOL!!

We already own a DVC at Old Key West, so I really did not want to get into another point system, but just to have another place to go!

Thanks again for all the info Everyone!!
Paula

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basham

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posted 05-07-2005 16:17     Click Here to See the Profile for basham   Click Here to Email basham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I never studied US geography but I think the only way SC is half way to TN from CT in any sense is if you fly into SC on a leg to FL and then back to TN.

But as I said..... Still, good luck with your purchase.

And of course now I realise SC means Shannandowan Crossing (sp)
Opps. Read things too quickly.


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Paulamurf

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posted 05-08-2005 11:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Paulamurf   Click Here to Email Paulamurf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
LOL -

Actually, Knoxville TN is 6 hrs 25 minutes & my CT home is 6 hrs 30 minutes... and yes, South Carolina would be well out of the way!

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posted 05-08-2005 15:17     Click Here to See the Profile for pedro47     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Is SC in Virginia and about 30 miles from Charlottesville, VA?

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Paulamurf

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posted 05-09-2005 04:49     Click Here to See the Profile for Paulamurf   Click Here to Email Paulamurf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Yes. That is the resort we are talking about.

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posted 05-18-2005 14:57     Click Here to See the Profile for jeanveness   Click Here to Email jeanveness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Shenandoah Crossing is great. The three weeks is in the UDI system. When the timeshares were originally sold, you bought flexible weeks, consisting of 1 red, 1 blue, 1 white. He probably also has unlimited bonus vacations; i.e, can rent at phenomenal rates (eg., 3 BR chalet for $69.00/nite). Bluegreen has been trying to convert all UDI's to points and if you buy, they will try to talk you into it when you go. The resort is on something like 62 acres, has tennis, golf, restaurant, indoor, outdoor pool, playground, minigolf, mini race track for cars, hiking, you name it. The setting is serene and the facilities very modern and well-maintained. The stables permit riding from age 8 but have ponies for the smaller children. Very accommodating people. I bought ours last year and love it. Took some friends with me and they want to buy there. I nixed the point conversion because I bought 9000 deeded points with my UDI that amounts to 4 weeks and I can trade the three weeks through RCI and still go there and stay for cheap whenever I want. Very pleased.

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posted 05-20-2005 16:39     Click Here to See the Profile for abelee   Click Here to Email abelee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Besides the higher maintenance fees (about $200 or so) at Shenandoah, do their UDI contracts generate the same amount of weeks per year as the Christmas Mountain UDI's? In other words, besides annual fees, is one type any better (or different) than the other?

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