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Topic: Anyone Ever Hire a Timeshare Appraiser?
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Carol C TUG MemberPosts: 2926 From: Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-14-2005 14:45
Has anyone here ever hired an appraiser to get a value on a timeshare for the purpose of donating that timeshare to charity? Who in the marketplace offers timeshare appraisals anyway, and do they price their services competitively? ------------------ I met a lot of people in Europe.I even encountered myself. - James Baldwin, American novelist (1924-1987) IP: Logged |
cluemeister TUG MemberPosts: 23 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted 05-14-2005 18:35
I'm new to posting on TUG, but I thought I saw a firm advertising themselves as "the timeshare blue book". I'm not sure if that's good enough for the IRS, but it's a start.I would also ask the charity for some guidance in how to value the unit. Just remember you're the one who has to defend the price if the IRS audits you! IP: Logged |
boyblue TUG MemberPosts: 410 From: Nassau, Bahamas Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 05-14-2005 21:16
I would think that any realestate appraiser would do it for you and I know myresortnetwork.com has an appraisal service.------------------ A Toast: Champagne to our real friends & real pain to our sham friends. IP: Logged |
Hatrack79 TUG MemberPosts: 1888 From: Denver, CO Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 05-15-2005 18:36
Be careful here.lots of alleged TS resale advertisers will tell you you need their $600 "appraisal" and they'll promise an inflated sales price on your deed. (they really are a scam and they take your $600 and do nothing for you). A year later, you still have a TS to sell and you're short $600. So, never pay an "upfront fee" to sell a TS (other than a nomianl $20 to $50 advertising fee), no matter what they call the fee (appraisal, marketing, advertising, etc). I realize you're talking about donations: I think I read that the IRS doesn't require a certified appraisal of the donated property's value unless it's worth over $5000 (not sure about that number). You can list a TS for $1 on Ebay and someone will take it away for fair market value (lowball value?) If it's really worth $4k or $5k, sell it, skip the 'appraisal fee', and donate any portion you wish to charity. Make sure you're better off w/ what you and the charity are getting (after tax) vs. selling it. IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6695 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-15-2005 19:08
You have the correct number. An appraisal is not required for income tax purposes unless the value of the property donation exceeds $5,000.If the owner is honest in valuing a timeshare, selling a timeshare should always be more economically beneficial than donating it. Assume one can sell a timeshare for $4,000. Under IRS rules, that's also the fair market value for donation purposes. The tax value has nothing to with what the timeshare cost to purchase. First, assume you sell for $4,000 and have $500 of advertising and closing costs. You'll have a net of $3,500 in your pocket, assuming that is less than the original purchase price, because there will be no capital gains tax on the sale. Now assume that instead of selling, you donate the timeshare and take a charitable donation tax deduction of $4,000 on your tax return. If you are in the highest federal income tax bracket (35%), that donation will save you about $1,400 in taxes. Having $3,500 in your pocket is better than $1,400. However, the charitable giving motivation might well be worth foregoing the proceeds from selling, depending on the circumstances.
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Carol C TUG MemberPosts: 2926 From: Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-16-2005 12:49
Dave, the charitable giving motivation is high in my case, as the organization is an environmental group I saw advertised in TST, called Ecology Foundation. I really like their mission as described on their website. However, I emailed them about the donation and have yet to hear back. Maybe they don't want my timeshare, or, maybe they're away on a timeshare vacation themselves. Thanks everyone for your advice. I'll explore all your leads further, and I'll post if I learn anything that might be helpful to others in the future. ------------------ I met a lot of people in Europe.I even encountered myself. - James Baldwin, American novelist (1924-1987) IP: Logged |
Dean TUG MemberPosts: 2763 From: Disney's Old Key West, Marriott's Grande Ocean, Marriott's Harbour Pt. and La Cabana, Aruba Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-16-2005 18:52
Getting a true appraisal in unreasonable. It's not that hard to get a statement of value from an informed person or from the resort itself in many cases. Most offers for appraisals are scams.------------------ Dean My Home Page IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6695 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-16-2005 19:50
quote: Originally posted by Dean: Getting a true appraisal in unreasonable.
Not just anyone can give an appraisal for tax purposes. An appraisal is not required by IRS if the claimed value of a donation doesn't exceed $5,000. However, if the value exceeds $5,000... - The taxpayer must obtain an appraisal by a qualified appraiser.
- Both the appraiser and the appraisal must meet IRS requirements as detailed in the tax regulations.
- Both the receiving charity and the appraiser must sign (under penalties of perjury) a form that the taxpayer must attach to the income tax return.
Guess what happens if the taxpayer doesn't get the required appraisal? The taxpayer is not entitled to any deduction for the donation.There are many qualified appraisers in almost every community who will be able to do a qualified appraisal for somewhere in the neighborhood of $300, plus or minus a bit. If the owner of a timeshare provides pertinent info, the appraiser can do an adequate job at a reasonable cost. Such info might include original purchase price and date, actual resale prices and sources (ask the resort, check the TUG and TSToday databases, etc.), current asking prices for resales (do a Google search and check the TUG classifieds), etc.
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Stefa TUG MemberPosts: 44 From: Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 05-16-2005 20:34
quote: Originally posted by Carol C: Maybe they don't want my timeshare
Carol, If the organization doesn't have the mechanisms in place to utilize the timeshare, it could end up costing them more than it is worth. They may not have the knowledge to either properly manage or sell the timeshare. If they pay TSownerripoffs.com $700 to list it, they will end up worse off than if you had never given it to them. Many charities lose money and valuable volunteer time disposing of donated goods they can't use. I say sell it yourself and give them some (or all) of the proceeds. Stefa IP: Logged |
Dean TUG MemberPosts: 2763 From: Disney's Old Key West, Marriott's Grande Ocean, Marriott's Harbour Pt. and La Cabana, Aruba Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-17-2005 19:09
quote: Originally posted by Dave M: Not just anyone can give an appraisal for tax purposes.An appraisal is not required by IRS if the claimed value of a donation doesn't exceed $5,000. However, if the value exceeds $5,000... - The taxpayer [b]must obtain an appraisal by a qualified appraiser.
- Both the appraiser and the appraisal must meet IRS requirements as detailed in the tax regulations.
- Both the receiving charity and the appraiser must sign (under penalties of perjury) a form that the taxpayer must attach to the income tax return.
Guess what happens if the taxpayer doesn't get the required appraisal? The taxpayer is not entitled to any deduction for the donation.There are many qualified appraisers in almost every community who will be able to do a qualified appraisal for somewhere in the neighborhood of $300, plus or minus a bit. If the owner of a timeshare provides pertinent info, the appraiser can do an adequate job at a reasonable cost. Such info might include original purchase price and date, actual resale prices and sources (ask the resort, check the TUG and TSToday databases, etc.), current asking prices for resales (do a Google search and check the TUG classifieds), etc.[/B]
Dave, that's a catch 22 for anyone donating as to get a true appraisal is going to be expensive. Getting someone to give you a true opinion on value is more than just getting an office in the area to swing buy and put down numbers on paper. They have to know the timeshare, resales as well as the resort itself. You might get someone to do it for $300 but it will almost always have no more basis in fact than your or my opinion. I'll leave it up to the IRS as to whether it's different in their eyes.------------------ Dean My Home Page IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6695 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-17-2005 19:34
Since most timeshare sales - at least in the U.S. - are a matter of public record, it's fairly easy for a knowledgeable appraiser to find comparable sales with a minimum of effort. The appraiser then uses a template developed specifically to make such IRS-qualifying appraisals and issues the appraisal.Still, I agree that you or I might be able to come up with the same or a more accurate valuation. However, our non-qualifying appraisal would net the donor a zero charitable deduction - assuming a value in excess of $5,000.
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Dean TUG MemberPosts: 2763 From: Disney's Old Key West, Marriott's Grande Ocean, Marriott's Harbour Pt. and La Cabana, Aruba Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-18-2005 18:03
quote: Originally posted by Dave M: Since most timeshare sales - at least in the U.S. - are a matter of public record, it's fairly easy for a knowledgeable appraiser to find comparable sales with a minimum of effort. The appraiser then uses a template developed specifically to make such IRS-qualifying appraisals and issues the appraisal.Still, I agree that you or I might be able to come up with the same or a more accurate valuation. However, our non-qualifying appraisal would net the donor a zero charitable deduction - assuming a value in excess of $5,000.
I don't think that would work as MANY deeds list a small dollar amount "and other considerations" or similar wording, to decrease the tax burden on recording. It would definitely undervalue the items dramatically. I suspect most organizations that would accept a timeshare as a donation would be able to get an "appraisal" for you that would satisfy the IRS requirements.------------------ Dean My Home Page IP: Logged |
tonyg TUG MemberPosts: 7035 From: East Canaan, CT -- Own at:Royal Mayan, Seapointer Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-18-2005 21:15
There was a retired real estate appraiser in Florida a few years ago that would do timeshare appraisals. He was looking for $ 50 -75 for an appraisal. I supposed if you looked hard enough you could find someone in the area where the timeshare is located. As mentioned before, appraisals are usually a con job to get an up-front fee, but there are a few legitimate folks out there.------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." *** http://www.cancundiningguide.com/ IP: Logged |