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skim118 TUG Member Posts: 114 From: Alamo, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-14-2005 18:51 Just received the bad news from Flyertalk that AA planning major cutbacks on it's Hawaiian routes especially to the outer islands. Thankfully our award tickets SFO-OGG are unaffected since we are going early August. Instead of a convenient 5-hr flight to Maui soon it may take 8-9 hrs thru HNL. ----------------------------- ORD-HNL 295 Ends operations April 2nd LAX-KOA 257 Ends operations Sept 6th LAX-KOA 247 Runs daily 757 Thru Dec 31 LAX-LIH 187 Ends operations Sept 6th LAX-LIH 285 Runs daily 757 thru Dec 31 SJC -HNL-SJC 195 runs thru October 30, doesnt show an end date SJC-OGG 97 Ends operations Sept 6th SFO-OGG 233 Ends opertions Sept 6th ------------------------------- Our personal favorite flight SJC-OGG maybe history starting July 1, even though the list says Sep 6th. If you are holding tickets on these flights(after the cancellation dates) try to get yourself re-routed soon. Sara ------------------ Sudwala(2), Westin Maui [This message has been edited by skim118 (edited 03-14-2005).] IP: Logged
kauai kid TUG Member Posts: 662 From: Slidell, Louisiana, USA, owner NaPali Kauai Club at Princeville and Embassy Poipu Point Registered: Nov 2003	posted 03-15-2005 06:51 They are also cutting back flights from the South. I noticed in September we get a much better connection with Continental. I don't understand because every AA flite we have been on to Hawaii in the last two years has been booked full. Sterling IP: Logged
LeeB TUG Member Posts: 1146 From: San Jose, CA, USA Mountain Retreat, Makai Club, Winners Circle Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-15-2005 08:35 Yet they didn't make money on those flights. They were full of mileage burners. ------------------ Lee Boylan IP: Logged
bigeyes1 TUG Member Posts: 2087 From: Texas Registered: Jun 2001	posted 03-15-2005 08:36 This is HORRIBLE news!! We were planning on going to Hawaii in Feb. '06 by taking the DFW-LAX-LIH route. Sheesh!! AA doesn't need to cut back. They need to add more flights!! I just went to Flyertalk and I can't seem to find this particular topic. What does the heading say? I'm sooo disappointed in AA. ------------------ ~Trish~ Check out my Journals at RCI Community. Just insert smileygirl into the Username field. Thanks for looking! IP: Logged
Roger TUG Member Posts: 1621 From: Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-15-2005 10:02 I'm going on AA next week (but not on any of the flights mentioned). Nine hour flight - no meals. (They will have meals to purchase, but I bet half the people on board won't know that this is the only way to get a meal until after the flight takes off.) Looking into the crystal ball... fewer flights to Hawaii... higher prices to come. ------------------ Owner since 1996 (a paltry one) TUG member since 1997 IP: Logged
skim118 TUG Member Posts: 114 From: Alamo, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-15-2005 10:14 Here is what they have left for the winter 2005 on AA : To HNL 4x LAX, 2X DFW, 1 SFO, 1 SJC, and 1 ORD To OGG 2X LAX, 1 DFW and 1 ORD LIH 1 LAX KOA 1 LAX This info is from Flyertalk and it matches the routing I tried out on "aa.com". The topic is on the AA forum and title is "SJC-OGG service is canceled". Like the OP we love the OGG-SJC flight because it lets us maximize our stay on Maui and take the 5 hr red-eye to mainland. I guess we may have to start focusing on United if AA makes these cuts permanent. Sara ------------------ Sudwala(2), Westin Maui IP: Logged
kauai kid TUG Member Posts: 662 From: Slidell, Louisiana, USA, owner NaPali Kauai Club at Princeville and Embassy Poipu Point Registered: Nov 2003	posted 03-15-2005 16:03 Sara: Be careful counting on United. They are in worse financial shape than American. IP: Logged
wcfr1 TUG Member Posts: 324 From: Largo, FL USA Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-15-2005 18:53 The airline industry as a whole is in bad shape. On time performance is bad, services and flight schedules constantly being changed or cut, scary and depressing stories regularly in the news about bankruptcies, layoffs, labor problems, lost luggage or animals, confusing and constantly changing pricing structure, shutting down of smaller or weaker airlines, the list goes on. The list of healthy airlines is extremly short. The list of weak or problem airlines is loooooooooong. IP: Logged
Cathyb TUG Member Posts: 1445 From: Carlsbad, CA, USA Carlsbad Inn, Trendwest , Marriott DSV & Newp, Westin MissionHills, Whaler/Maui & PonoKai/Kauai Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-16-2005 06:17 Thanks so much for the info. We take AA 285 one week before they stop and hopefully they won't change the dates! We did notice our return flight on Jan. 7 we had to go thru Oahu -- and this was reservations made a month ago. IP: Logged
skim118 TUG Member Posts: 114 From: Alamo, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-16-2005 12:29 quote: Originally posted by kauai kid: Sara: Be careful counting on United. They are in worse financial shape than American. Most of our FF mileage is on Qantas & British Airways because of 2:1 Starpoint bonus & BA Visa. We counted on AA & the Oneworld alliance for our Hawaiian flights. I guess we have to diversify with United and Star Alliance. I am not too worried about United because they will always survive in some form because of their lucrative Pacific routes. I just wish a major low-cost carrier will decide to fly the West-Coast-Hawaii route one of these days. I am happy to pay upto $450/ticket; it's crazy that I can find tickets to east Coast for less than $300 consistently even though it's further away. Sara ------------------ Sudwala(2), Westin Maui IP: Logged
kauai kid TUG Member Posts: 662 From: Slidell, Louisiana, USA, owner NaPali Kauai Club at Princeville and Embassy Poipu Point Registered: Nov 2003	posted 03-18-2005 05:09 Sara: Remember the big airlines from 20 years ago. TWA and Pan Am? I wouldn't count on any of them surviving unless they start copying the few airlines that are making money. Southwest, etc. Sterling IP: Logged
Enrico TUG Member Posts: 838 From: Illinois Registered: Mar 2001	posted 03-18-2005 12:52 Living near to St. Louis has provided a close up perspective to the decimation of a once mighty TWA/American Airline company. TWA not long ago had 3-4 direct flights to Hawaii each day, now AA has zero. AA cut 200 flight from STL last year, maybe more to come in the future. On top of that, St. Louis Lambert Airport is in the midst of a $1.043 Billion expansion (Phase 1)...it may soon be referred to as "The Big Dig 2"! ------------------ "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Alva Edison IP: Logged
skim118 TUG Member Posts: 114 From: Alamo, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-18-2005 14:31 Sterling, I do remember TWA & Pan Am well; I still miss TWA but all my mileage in TWA was conveniently transfered into AA. Because of it's international routes I expect the same out of my United miles too. Sara ------------------ Sudwala(2), Westin Maui IP: Logged
kauai kid TUG Member Posts: 662 From: Slidell, Louisiana, USA, owner NaPali Kauai Club at Princeville and Embassy Poipu Point Registered: Nov 2003	posted 03-18-2005 15:46 Sara: Someplace in my travels I've seen pictures of the Pan Am Clippers landing in Hawaii and transferring people into boats to get onto dry land. Also believe one of the first flights ran out of fuel and had to be towed some 200 miles to the Islands. I believe it was something like an 18 hr flight. My boy hood friend, Bill Story, was on TWA 800 when it crashed. If that wasn't enough, six people I worked with in DC were killed in aircraft on 9/11, and my wife and I took a fixed wing flight around Kauai and the next week a helicopter flight crashed in the NaPali Mountains killing five people. Amazing I'll even get near an airport much less on an airplane. Probably more dangerous driving to the airport. We are going to Maui and Kauai again in September--almost six months away. Sterling IP: Logged
kauai kid TUG Member Posts: 662 From: Slidell, Louisiana, USA, owner NaPali Kauai Club at Princeville and Embassy Poipu Point Registered: Nov 2003	posted 03-18-2005 15:50 Enrico: When Edison was at the dedication of a power plant all the big shots were around and the big switch was thrown and nothing happened. Second try, nothing happened. Edison asked for a wrench and came back in five minutes and said it will work now, and it did. He billed the power company $100 and the bean counters asked for an itemized bill. $5 to tighten a bolt, $95 to know which bolt to tighten. Sterling IP: Logged
Enrico TUG Member Posts: 838 From: Illinois Registered: Mar 2001	posted 03-19-2005 05:17 quote: Originally posted by kauai kid: Enrico: When Edison was at the dedication of a power plant all the big shots were around and the big switch was thrown and nothing happened. Second try, nothing happened. Edison asked for a wrench and came back in five minutes and said it will work now, and it did. He billed the power company $100 and the bean counters asked for an itemized bill. $5 to tighten a bolt, $95 to know which bolt to tighten. Sterling "Knowledge is power"......and profitable! ------------------ "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Alva Edison IP: Logged

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