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BL
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posted 03-18-2002 20:37     Click Here to See the Profile for BL   Click Here to Email BL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Well, I know we have a few resident experts out there. Does anybody know what the float periods are and are they consistent or do they vary from resort to resort? I've checked out the Whiski Jack website and sort of thought they might coincide with their rental periods, value spring, summer, etc., but just a guess on my part.

Also, was it you, Kris, that wasn't that impressed with the trade power of a week you'd deposited? Which week was it?

I think it's pretty obvious that ski weeks, then summer weeks are going to be the best traders, but since an off-season week works for us for personal use ...

Also, is there any sort of priority given for internal trades?

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krisj

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posted 03-18-2002 21:02     Click Here to See the Profile for krisj   Click Here to Email krisj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by BL:
... float periods are and are they consistent?
...the trade power of a week you'd deposited? Which week was it?
... priority given for internal trades?

Greetings, Bev -

I'm not sure if all WJ float periods are consistent, but for our Ironwood 1/10th share there are two float groups. Float A are weeks 17-19, 42-48 and Float B are 21-24, 25-39. Maybe others can chime in with other floats for different properties.

The trade power of an early January week was recently mediocre, though in the past we've always gotten great trades with late April weeks. The poorer trading power could be a function of the recent changes at RCI? We always use our summer weeks.

In theory there is internal trade preference, and in the past it's been fantastic. Again, with the recent changes at RCI our internal preference appears to be "broken" or at least severely wounded (we didn't pull all the available WJ weeks or unit sizes).

If we weren't constrained by school schedules, I'd make September and March our Whistler months :-)

Hope this helps!
Kris

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Cyndi

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posted 03-20-2002 04:06     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyndi   Click Here to Email Cyndi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I own a B float and it is May or September. Kris is right about the trade power. WJ is selling points and our weeks are trading poorly in comparision to prior years. I can't help but think there is a corelation.

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posted 03-20-2002 14:36     Click Here to See the Profile for geoand   Click Here to Email geoand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Can you explain about WJ selling points. I did not know that WJ was on the point system.

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krisj

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posted 03-20-2002 17:12     Click Here to See the Profile for krisj   Click Here to Email krisj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
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Originally posted by geoand:
Can you explain about WJ selling points. I did not know that WJ was on the point system.

I think WJ may still sell fixed Whistler weeks, but they also offer the Raintree Vacation Club (RVC), which is a points system. It includes resorts like the Club Reginas, the new resort in the Tetons, a resort in Arizona and perhaps some others. I don't know the details, as we're not interested in paying to "upgrade" our ownership, but I did have a WJ employee tell me that RVC is fully administered by RCI :-)

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snelson

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posted 03-20-2002 19:55     Click Here to See the Profile for snelson   Click Here to Email snelson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
The little bit I know about RVC is that each week in the Raintree/Whiski Jack collection is assigned a value identified by a precious metal or gem (e.g., emerald, platinum, diamond, sapphire, ruby).

Each of these classifications then has specific trading powers and rights within the system. Many of the new RVC properties are considered quite upscale. My 2-bedroom, prime ski week in Whistler is not too far from the bottom of the RVC system.

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posted 03-20-2002 20:57     Click Here to See the Profile for geoand   Click Here to Email geoand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
ok, I knew that WJ was doing the RVC thing with precious stones. Just never thot of that as points system. Kind of panicked me for a second cuz it sounded like they were getting involved with all sorts of systems.

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posted 03-20-2002 21:23     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyndi   Click Here to Email Cyndi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
So Steve, do I understand you to say that a prime ski week is not Platinum or even Gold? I would have thought that you would have been near the top of the heap with Raintree. If this is the case then maybe we have the answer to our wonderings regarding our loss of trade power. Has Raintree effectivly devalued our weeks for us by giving them a gem color and sold RCI on that value system for RVC resorts? I may be getting a bit paranoid, but something is definatly up with our inability to pull great vactions. When I can pull the same things and with my Wapato Point weeks then that seems scary. I like Wapato - but it is not Whistler!

Maybe we need to start a writing campaign to Raintree to determine the problem.

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posted 03-21-2002 05:21     Click Here to See the Profile for snelson   Click Here to Email snelson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
As I recall, Platinum and Gold aren't very high in the WJ ranking system. I don't recall exactly what gem value would be assigned to my week. Some specifics I do recall:

  • My week is comparable to a one-bedroom spring week in a Club Westin in Mexico.
  • Fitzsimmons ranks lower than other Whistler properties - for example, a two bedroom Week 13 at Powders Edge would be higher (how much higher, I don't recall).
  • Most of the higher echelons are pretty much entirely owners from Teton Club and Cimarron.
  • There are still categories below my week - representing lower demand periods and smaller units for both Whistler and Mexico properties.

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krisj

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posted 03-21-2002 07:59     Click Here to See the Profile for krisj   Click Here to Email krisj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
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Originally posted by Cyndi:
Maybe we need to start a writing campaign to Raintree to determine the problem.

I had planned to write to demonstrate that the internal preference was no longer working (I called and spoke with Mary to explain the trading power changes, and also brought them up at the Owners Meeting), but I was leaving for vacation and had just used my last RCI deposit.

The loss of internal trading preference is one thing that we could easily test and document, if someone has multiple weeks (a Whistler week and another strong trader) available. I was seeing lots of on-line WJ availability with my parent's Santa Fe week that I wasn't pulling with my prime WJ week, in spite of our supposed internal preference. Often I would only pull one bedroom units (ours is a 2 br) when my parent's unit pulled lots of 2 bedrooms.

Kris

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posted 03-21-2002 10:19     Click Here to See the Profile for geoand   Click Here to Email geoand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
RVC uses Ruby, Emerald, Sapphire, Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronz. I was told that my 2 bedroom loft at Tyndall Stone Week 7 was a Sapphire. The grand suites at CanCun, PV, Cabo, Zihuatanejo, and Acapulco, is Platinum for weeks 1 - 13, 14 & 15 are Sapphire. Weeks 46, 51 and 52 are Sapphire also. The rest of the year is either Platinun or Gold. Palm Springs is Platinum 1 - 20, Gold 21 - 46, Platinum 47 - 51, and Sapphire for 52. Jackson Hole 2 bedroom is Sapphire for 1 - 14 and the 3 bedroom is Emerald. The only ruby is weeks 51 - 52 for 3 bedroom Jackson Hole. This is based on chart given me last May for 2001. I also have 2002 chart. If you are interested in what your wj unit rates than let me know. As I understand the system (that is a big qualifyer), a sapphire unit can be traded straight across for sapphire, or 1 platinum and 1 gold, etc.

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posted 03-21-2002 22:21     Click Here to See the Profile for Cyndi   Click Here to Email Cyndi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Geo,
Could you tell me what my Tyndall Stone 2 Bedroom (no loft)B float week is rated. It is May or September. Do Weeks in May or September rate higher so I know what to pick for my float? I may just dump this puppy given the change in power.

Also Kris, I pull exactly the same things with my Wapato Point as Whiski Jack - no preference.

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posted 03-22-2002 22:53     Click Here to See the Profile for geoand   Click Here to Email geoand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
The chart does not discuss float weeks at all. However, the chart shows that May and Septemeber weeks for 2 bedroom b are Platinum weeks.

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posted 03-23-2002 23:57     Click Here to See the Profile for edhues   Click Here to Email edhues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I recently started shopping for my first T/S, a ski week "out west." The WJ agent I spoke with told me all the new WJ units they're selling include RVC membership. "Old" WJ units could be upgraded to RVC membership for CAN$1600. What disturbed me was his description of RCI trading as an RVC member: You could search RCI WITHOUT depositing your RVC week. If they found what you were looking for, then you could deposit your week. But RVC would only kick in a summer week or worse, to RCI and keep the ski week for themselves for internal trading OR TO RENT OUT! Seems to me like the total supply of WJ ski weeks available to the T/S community is going to diminish. I suppose that could explain a loss of internal trading preference for non-RVC WJ owners though I doubt it would presently be a significant factor so early on in RVC's existence. RVC's whole trading arrangement with RCI seems sort of unethical if the info I got from the WJ agent is correct.

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posted 03-24-2002 02:13     Click Here to See the Profile for krisj   Click Here to Email krisj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Have you all read the info on the recent letter of intent to purchase Raintree Resorts issued by Mego Corp -- now posted in the Lounge? The plot may thicken :-)

Since we own weeks in a resort we love to visit and don't ever need to trade, the only really adverse impact any of this RCI and Mego stuff can ultimately have on us is in the cost and quality of maintenance. I'm pretty sure our original contract stated that the HOA is free to switch maintenance companies, so if it ever really gets bad we could initiate a switch -- and Whistler has several very good property management firms so I'd assume we'll be fine over the long haul.

Kris

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posted 03-24-2002 02:25     Click Here to See the Profile for krisj   Click Here to Email krisj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
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Originally posted by edhues:
... RVC would only kick in a summer week or worse

Ed -- Welcome to TUG!! One thing that may surprise you about Whistler is that a true summer week (i.e. mid-July through late August) is among the highest-powered Whistler traders you can own (ref. past experience and RCI Points values). It's also a FABULOUS time of year to be in Whistler. Still, your point about RVC depositing only "dog weeks" to RCI is well taken.

Another TUGger was told awhile back that this same rule would be applied to owners of "old" WJ fixed weeks -- that actual deposits would be placed in RVC inventory and a different week might be deposited with RCI. WJ folks have told me that this isn't true, and so far it seems that the weeks I deposit actually do end up in my RCI account.

If you love to ski, you can't go wrong with a resale prime WJ ski week. You might want to e-mail Steve Nelson, who just found a great one!

Kris

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posted 03-24-2002 20:27     Click Here to See the Profile for edhues   Click Here to Email edhues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Thanks Kris,
I think I'm going to go with a Week 7 Streamside that I'm hoping will get me into Week 15 at WJ once in a while.

TUG has been incredibly informative. Thanks to everyone

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