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freedom53

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posted 12-13-2003 18:58     Click Here to See the Profile for freedom53   Click Here to Email freedom53     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I have taken the presentation at Carriage Hills Resort about switching my week to Shell Vacation Club points but am not sure I want to do this. There are some added flexibility features that are appealing to me. However, some things concern me and I am wondering if anyone can provide some insights. I would get 4650 SVC points for my 2BD lockoff red week which I am told would convert to about 45,000 RCI points for the sum of $3995.00 Canadian. (I think it is another way for the developerst to raise money)

1. I am concerned that the 4650 points would be subject to inflation and my points would not go as far in say 10 years time. If I stay with weeks, I know a week is a week.

2. I was told that the timeshare industry is moving in the direction of points and that in time there will be many less "weeks" resorts available to trade to if I stay with weeks.

3. I was told that being a member of SVC my points are deposited with SVC and the vacation cousellors there can search and access inventory in the RCI system if I wanted to go elsewhere than a Shell property - with no exchange fee. I have difficulty believing that RCI would not be wanting some form of compensation for access to their inventory.

As you can see I am not fully believing the story I was given and am wondering if anyone out there has other or similar experiences when presented with the concept of converting to points?

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Harmina

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posted 12-13-2003 21:39     Click Here to See the Profile for Harmina   Click Here to Email Harmina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
You still have to pay a membership fee to belong to the SVC.
I forget now how much we were quoted. It might have been something like $180. per year.
The fee does allow two transactions per year within the SVC.
If you want to trade through RCI you still pay the going exchange fee that RCI charges.
They were feeding us a lot of bull during the presentation when we were there last summer.
I, along with many others were pretty disgusted with what they were telling us.

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Art

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posted 12-14-2003 16:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Art   Click Here to Email Art     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I listened to the pitch for converting my Kona Coast week to shell points.

The details may differ slightly, but a shell point was worth about $0.25 (US) in travel services (hotels, airfare, etc) when booked thru shell at whatever prices they were charging at the time.

So your question is would the value of the travel services you would receive for 4650 points justify the $3995 buy-in cost, the annual maintenance fee (which doesn't go away) plus the value of your timeshare that you are signing over?

BTW, shell salesmen seem to lead the league in providing dubious information as part of their pitch.

Art

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freedom53

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posted 12-15-2003 18:32     Click Here to See the Profile for freedom53   Click Here to Email freedom53     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Thanks for the heads up Art.....Certainly what I was hearing did not seem to add up. There is no value in using points to purchase travel services unless you were about to lose the points.

I think I will stay clear for now

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JeffV

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posted 12-16-2003 05:16     Click Here to See the Profile for JeffV   Click Here to Email JeffV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Good move, you just saved your TUG membership fees many times over.

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heesaker

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posted 07-09-2004 13:06     Click Here to See the Profile for heesaker   Click Here to Email heesaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Just returned from first time at Carriage Hills and we too were given the Shell Vacations Points presentation. We were treated with respect and did indeed walk away without feeling pressured whatsoever. Thank GOD!!!

We understood that our 2 bed lockoff, red, was indeed worth 4,650 SVC (shell vac points)but we would have to pay more than $3995???? to convert.

What confuses us is when we go to RCI website to view points based resorts that they have in their inventory, most locations were demanding 60000 - 80000 points.

Is there some conversion rate we are missing? We only would have 4650 SVC points -- this would take us 10 years to get to one location outside our owned resort.

We must need some conversion magic number. Anyone out there with this conversion code and a calculator?

Thanks
Gene

P.S. Found Carriage Hills Resort very clean, quiet and right across the road from a lovely golf course. This resort has at least five pools (2 indoor) to choose from daily. Also, Horseshoe Valley Resort hotel just down the road is accessible with entertainment a few times per week. The facilities at the hotel are accessible to Carriage Hills Resort owners. This makes for a pleasant vacation. Some things like more restaurants would be nice, but Barrie is just down the highway or country road about 25 minutes or Orillia is about the same distance west. Lots of restaurants, shops, etc. located in Barrie and Orillia.

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KevinRS

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posted 07-09-2004 14:06     Click Here to See the Profile for KevinRS   Click Here to Email KevinRS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I am not as down on Shell as many others on here are. They do have some GREAT resorts, in some GREAT locations (Rumor is they are adding Napa Valley next.) You probably have access to the points grid on the site, but check-out this ebay auction, they show all the resorts and points in an easier format
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4311019202&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

You can buy Shell points on ebay for $0.80 to $1.00 per point, like the auction above, you can buy 6000 points for $6000 or less. You would be better off to buy the 6000 points and sell your weeks timeshare, and you would come out $$$ ahead, and shave more points to boot (plus the incredibly high maint fees associated with more points).

IF you do convert with Shell, the only benefit I know of is that they will let you deposit your NON-Shell weeks for Shell points, I am not sure of the conversion. If you buy resale, I don't believe that they give you this option.

As far as inflaction on weeks, they sell a limited number of points at every resort, so you will ALWAYS have enough points at your home resort. They COULD increase the cost in points during certain weeks, but they would have to decrease the points in other weeks by just as much, to keep the point levels equal. They could add NEW resorts that require more points though.

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Harmina

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posted 07-09-2004 21:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Harmina   Click Here to Email Harmina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
We were pressured recently to do the presentation for the points conversion again. This time they told us they needed to update us as to the changes being made at our resort. It was the same old story as last year. If we converted to points without buying another week, it was going to cost $5995. If we purchased another week the points conversion would cost us $3995. They quoted us 4500 points and in the RCI system this would be worth 45,000 points. It would also cost $285. per year for the Shell membership plus $49. for each transaction within the Shell group. In order to exchange with RCI you would also have to maintain your RCI membership. It really is very costly. We were also told if we didn't convert to points we wouldn't be able to exchange into the Ridge.I told the salesman I had pulled 3 units for next June and also I found a bonus vacation with RCI for a one bedroom unit for Sep/04 for $459. He seemed quite surprised. Anyhow I am glad we didn't convert. I told the salesman it is just another money making scheme. It is like the Fairfields, Hiltons, Marriotts all trying to compete with RCI and getting rich. The new units however are gorgeous!

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JeffV

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posted 07-10-2004 04:32     Click Here to See the Profile for JeffV   Click Here to Email JeffV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I would never join a points plan where I had to give up ownership of my deeded resort, you have nothing if the "club" fails.

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Harmina

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posted 07-10-2004 17:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Harmina   Click Here to Email Harmina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Jeff - I agree with you. They wanted us to give up our deeded week 26 and convert it to points. They told us we would still be deeded. I don't know how you can deed points? There is no way I would ever give up such a strong trader.

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heesaker

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posted 07-10-2004 17:48     Click Here to See the Profile for heesaker   Click Here to Email heesaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Harmina: What is your great trader? Is it Carriage Hills Resort or does anyone know just how good a trader this resort is through RCI.
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Harmina

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posted 07-10-2004 18:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Harmina   Click Here to Email Harmina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Gene, Our week 26 at CH trades almost as good as our Kahana Falls, Maui week. As far as I am concerned unless you own a summer week at CH or you plan on using a specific week at CH you might as well forget it. RCI almost always has bonus vacations at CH during the remainder of the year. Mind you it is a beautiful resort and we have always gone up and stayed in the one bedroom portion ever since we bought in 97. We trade our week 26 studio and have had amazing trades with it.
Now with all the new units at the Ridge there will be tons of units available. We have found owners do use there time during the summer.

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