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dantrimper

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posted 03-09-2003 22:19     Click Here to See the Profile for dantrimper   Click Here to Email dantrimper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When someone says a blue period floating unit "trades as red with II", what exactly does it mean?

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CraigU

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posted 03-10-2003 03:56     Click Here to See the Profile for CraigU   Click Here to Email CraigU     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interval publishes color codes which are red, yellow and green; red being the highest. I'm assuming your Marriott blue week falls within a red period.

Please note, color codes are not used for processing exchange requests. The parameters used can be found in the comparable exchange section of our terms and conditions.


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Originally posted by dantrimper:
When someone says a blue period floating unit "trades as red with II", what exactly does it mean?

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Kel

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posted 03-10-2003 11:49     Click Here to See the Profile for Kel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We own at Marriott's Desert Springs Resort (a blue week). The colors at our resort go as blue, white and red. Blue being low season and red being high season, but we can trade into any season (blue, white or red). It is the same as (green (low), yellow (mid), red (high)). Just an FYI.

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maryk

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posted 03-10-2003 19:57     Click Here to See the Profile for maryk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how do you go about trading into a different season when you have the low season (blue)? I thought that was tough?

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CraigU

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posted 03-11-2003 04:33     Click Here to See the Profile for CraigU   Click Here to Email CraigU     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Color codes are not always indicitive of difficult vacation requests. The key for anyone is to be as flexible as possible with the resorts/dates requested.

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how do you go about trading into a different season when you have the low season (blue)? I thought that was tough?

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Art

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posted 03-11-2003 10:12     Click Here to See the Profile for Art   Click Here to Email Art     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan and Mary

Another way of looking at this is that Marriott and other developers who break things up into seasons (Red, White, Blue, Platinum, Gold, etc.) set up the designations on the basis of their internal marketing analysis of what people will buy.

II and RCI set up their color seasons on the basis of what people want to trade for. Because this is an on-going process, and peoples' travel tastes change, over time, there will be an increasing divergence of developer and exchange company seasons at some resorts. Maz has pointed out the increasing interest in summer vacations in Phoenix. Seemed impossible 10 years ago, but Phoenix and Tucson are II Red all year round!

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jlr10

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posted 03-11-2003 18:39     Click Here to See the Profile for jlr10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We found the weeks color only to be a factor when trying to stay at our home resort. We own a blue week, summer in the desert. I have a six week period that is available for me to stay at the home resort. I cannot request a week at the same resort that does not fall into the time period I purchased. If I wish to go to my home resort in a different period I must deposit with II and request an internal exchange. When depositing with II can I can trade into the red time period at my home resort or other resorts based on a comparable trade of the unit, providing space is available, and other factors which I am unqualified to explain. I can also deposit with II and request a trade into another resort which has a red week designation.

So even though I have a summer week in the desert (blue with less demand) I was able to trade into Kauai in the summer (red with high demand) because space was available and the units types were of comparable value and people with more desirable weeks were not waiting for an exchange at that time.

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amerisense

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posted 03-13-2003 09:56     Click Here to See the Profile for amerisense   Click Here to Email amerisense     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

JLR10

I'm a Newbie, and your example of exhanging season/colors was the best I've read on the boards so far.

Thanks!

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dantrimper

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posted 03-13-2003 15:26     Click Here to See the Profile for dantrimper   Click Here to Email dantrimper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Craig: what do you mean the blue week falls within a red period? I am considering purchasing a unit for trade only. Why should I buy a platinum (red) week when I could buy a blue week much cheaper if it also trades for a red? The unit is at Marriott's Desert Springs Villas in Palm Desert. If a blue week there can get me a red week somewhere comparable, why spend the extra bucks?? Thanks for the answer.

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CraigU

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posted 03-14-2003 05:26     Click Here to See the Profile for CraigU   Click Here to Email CraigU     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The main reason you should buy timeshare is because you want to visit your home resort. Therefore, you should purchase a unit that meets your needs.

The trading power of any week varies within color codes. The better the week, the higher the trading power. If your requests will be for peak areas/dates, I suggest you buy the best week possible. However, the nice thing about exchange systems is you do have the ability to trade up. This is stated with the disclaimer that owners of weeks with higher trading power will be confirmed first.

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Originally posted by dantrimper:
Craig: what do you mean the blue week falls within a red period? I am considering purchasing a unit for trade only. Why should I buy a platinum (red) week when I could buy a blue week much cheaper if it also trades for a red? The unit is at Marriott's Desert Springs Villas in Palm Desert. If a blue week there can get me a red week somewhere comparable, why spend the extra bucks?? Thanks for the answer.

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dantrimper

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posted 03-14-2003 07:45     Click Here to See the Profile for dantrimper   Click Here to Email dantrimper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Craig: if we all followed your advice, and only went to our home resorts, there would be no reason for your company! Trading is an integral part of time share ownership and I'm just trying to make some sense out of these confusing color codes.Your answer was really not on point at all. Please read my post again. Thanks, Dan

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CraigU

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posted 03-14-2003 08:30     Click Here to See the Profile for CraigU   Click Here to Email CraigU     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please read the second paragraph of my response. BTW, I do believe both were pertinent.

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Originally posted by dantrimper:
Craig: if we all followed your advice, and only went to our home resorts, there would be no reason for your company! Trading is an integral part of time share ownership and I'm just trying to make some sense out of these confusing color codes.Your answer was really not on point at all. Please read my post again. Thanks, Dan

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CraigU

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posted 03-14-2003 08:32     Click Here to See the Profile for CraigU   Click Here to Email CraigU     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Art

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posted 03-14-2003 10:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Art   Click Here to Email Art     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan

Another way to look at this is to equate the color codes to something descriptive like "fair, good, outstanding." If those terms sound like they are a bit vague, that's intentional because that is how trading value works.

Whenever one tries to arrange a trade, he is competing with everyone else who also wants that week. If there is no competition, my fair week will pull the trade; if everyone in the world wants that week, my outstanding week might not be good enough.

In other words, using classifications such as red, gold, blue, platinum, etc., implies a sense of precision in week evaluations that does not exist.

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jcrist

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posted 03-20-2003 18:36     Click Here to See the Profile for jcrist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The bottom line seems to be that aside from some general indicators, exchange valuations are really a big mystery. This is really frustrating for me as I'm looking at buying and can't decide between buying Marriott red, white, or blue. I will exchange 90% of the time. I have a group of resorts in mind that I would probably exchange for, but prior to purchasing, I really have no idea how easy or hard it will be to get the exchanges I want.

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Art

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posted 03-21-2003 13:13     Click Here to See the Profile for Art   Click Here to Email Art     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you request a week at a resort that is equivalent to the week and resort you have deposited, it is very likely that you will get the trade you requested. In other words, if you deposit a January week in New Jersey, it should be a snap to get a January week in Branson

If you are hoping for a better week at a better resort than what you have deposited, it is less likely and a function of how lucky you are. It is going to take a lot of luck to get a summer Hilton Head week in exchange for that January New Jersey week.

You need to critically look at the week you are considering buying and trading. How eager would someone else be to use the week you are offering to trade? If II knows that no one has much interest in the week you are depositing, nothing very attractive will be readily available for your use.

If you are thinking about a buying a specific week, post your question on the Mariott board where there are plenty of Marriott owners who will be glad to give you their opinions on reasonable trades you could expect. They will just be opinions because there are no trading guarantees that I am aware of.

Art

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MOXJO7282

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posted 03-22-2003 12:14     Click Here to See the Profile for MOXJO7282   Click Here to Email MOXJO7282     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jcrist,
Provide some more info on what you are considering and TUG members will respond with many different viewpoints. I personally believe if you are looking to trade frequently and want to go during prime seasons, you need to buy into that season. If youy are someone who can travel on short notice and don't mind going during off-season a blue or white week could work.
Personally I don't like to play the request and wait game, so I've bought high-end TSs to ensure I can go to top resorts when I want to go.

Regards.
Joe

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jcrist

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posted 03-24-2003 14:57     Click Here to See the Profile for jcrist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of the time I'll be trading into RCI Gold Crown or II 5-star resorts, such as Marriott and Four Seasons worldwide. But dates will typically be flexible within 3-6 weeks span and will almost never fall during platinum weeks. Probably red two thirds of the time and yellow one third of the time. I don't want to have to make travel plans more than say 10 months in advance. The properties I'm looking at now are Desert Springs - white and Beachplace Towers gold as seeming to have the best trade power for the purchase price. Ocean Pointe silver or gold (a little more than I want to pay) would be considered. I was looking at Summit Watch Gold but when comparing rental rates there to these other resorts it is like half as expensive.

I am vacationing in Hawaii at the new Marriott Ko Olina in early December. If I bought now, it would be nice to trade for a week in December, January, or February and not pay $3,000 in nightly rentals. We go someplace different each year.

Based on our vacationing habits, it is not really worth the hassle for us to buy a time share for more than $10,000 all things considered. More than that and we are better off getting good deals on renting and having the flexibility to go wherever we want whenever we want without waiting around for a trade confirmation.

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