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teachingmyown TUG Member Posts: 822 From: TN, Fairfield (points) Registered: Jan 2001	posted 05-23-2005 20:38 Ok, I have to ask...surely SOMEBODY here has seen it? What did you think? We went Friday and other than being a bit uncomfortable about how my 7yo was handling the scene resulting in Anakin needing a life-support suit (he handled it much better than his mom, it appears) I thought it was great. It was a great peice of storytelling and I think I understand at least one reason why Lucas chose to tell the story ending first. IMO there is no way to watch episodes 1-3 and not have sympathetic feelings for Darth Vader, which of course totally changes the way one would approach episodes 4-6. ------------------ 4200... Every day! IP: Logged
Luanne TUG Member Posts: 2106 From: San Ramon, CA, USA Owner: Maui Lea at Maui Hill, San Diego Country Estates Registered: Dec 2000	posted 05-23-2005 20:51 We saw it on Saturday. We are all pretty huge fans and Steve had been looking forward to this one (Episode III) ever since he saw Episode IV so many years ago, lol. It did answer a lot of questions, but it raised more for us as well. We've been talking about the movie ever since we saw it. I'm sure we'll see it a few more times as well. ------------------ Luanne IP: Logged
jlr10 TUG Member Posts: 478 From: Poway CA USA Registered: Jun 2002	posted 05-23-2005 21:00 We saw it on Sunday and everyone enjoyed it. (even this Mom who never saw the 2nd of the prequals.) At the end of the movie I felt sorry for Anakin, and wanted to go see the final episode where he comes back from the dark side. Although, I must admit I had some pretty strange dreams last night. They all involved loud dramatic backround music with exploding lava in the backround. IP: Logged
wauhob3 TUG Member Posts: 1755 From: Valparaiso, IN Christmas Mountain Village week 27 and 30 Registered: May 2002	posted 05-24-2005 04:59 I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. I felt he turned to the dark side to easily especially due to the temple scene. IP: Logged
IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 93 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 05-24-2005 06:43 As with the previous two, I went to the midnight showing on opening night. I saw it a second time on Saturday, with my wife. I loved it - far more than the the other two prequels. I'm looking forward to the upcoming TV series now. ------------------ ON A QUEST TO VISIT ALL 50 STATES. 7 TO GO... IP: Logged
ACCfan TUG Member Posts: 480 From: Registered: Jun 2003	posted 05-24-2005 09:28 I liked it also. I thought the acting, while still not that great, was a step above and better than I & II. The one week spot of the movie was the conversion scene. I found it to be too quick and corny and not that believable. Since this is really what the movie's are all about, I think that scene should've been drawn out and Anakin should've been put in much more of a compromising position to "force" him to convert over to the Emperor. If I let that scene go and just accept it, then I think the movie was excellent. The last fight scene between Anakin and Obi Wan was very good and the acting in that scene was excellent. IP: Logged
hibbeln TUG Member Posts: 581 From: Rochester, MI Registered: Jan 2001	posted 05-24-2005 11:29 Going this weekend to take my 10 year old and his friend, though I've heard so many people say that they wouldn't even consider someone under 12. My almost 8 year old already knows he's not going, which is hard with all the product tie-ins (toys, lego,etc!) IP: Logged
ACCfan TUG Member Posts: 480 From: Registered: Jun 2003	posted 05-24-2005 13:13 A lot of the violence is really strongly implied and not really shown. From a violence perspective, I didn't think it was really as bad as people made it out to be. From a scary perspective, I didn't think it was any more scarier than that second Harry Potter movie with the spiders. IP: Logged
wauhob3 TUG Member Posts: 1755 From: Valparaiso, IN Christmas Mountain Village week 27 and 30 Registered: May 2002	posted 05-24-2005 14:59 quote: Originally posted by ACCfan: A lot of the violence is really strongly implied and not really shown. From a violence perspective, I didn't think it was really as bad as people made it out to be. From a scary perspective, I didn't think it was any more scarier than that second Harry Potter movie with the spiders. I agree but what is rather disturbing(if you can't put the scene aside) is how the "hero" turned evil so easily. My 12 year old didn't think it made sense for the reasons given to do what he did so quickly. She doesn't seem bothered by it though and thinks there must have been more to it in the books. IP: Logged
PamH TUG Member Posts: 1562 From: Nashua, NH, Marriott Harbor Pointe, FF points Registered: Jan 2001	posted 05-24-2005 16:09 I think he turned too quickly and too evil too quickly (killing the younglings) Pam IP: Logged
Luanne TUG Member Posts: 2106 From: San Ramon, CA, USA Owner: Maui Lea at Maui Hill, San Diego Country Estates Registered: Dec 2000	posted 05-24-2005 16:29 They may have seemed to rush it a bit, but you kind of have to go back to the previous movies to see how the turning began. Our family has discussed the movie a lot since we saw it. My take is that there was something in his personality that made it easier for the Emperor to "lead" him, but that most of the time when he was out of control it was a reaction to something happening to those he loved, or him trying to protect them. JMHO ------------------ Luanne IP: Logged
teachingmyown TUG Member Posts: 822 From: TN, Fairfield (points) Registered: Jan 2001	posted 05-25-2005 09:13 It didn't seem to me that he "turned" so quickly. He had obviously been in turmoil for some time, being loyal to the chancelor and somewhat suspicious of the Jedi. The only absolute in his life was his love for Padme and that seemed to be being threatened. (On two fronts...the Jedi wouldn't allow spouses AND she appeared to die in his dream) He was played by a master and believed what he was told. What the chancelor said rang true with him and all he got from the Jedi was Yoda's backspeak and distrust (What did the other master say? Something like, "You stay here, you haven't been proven") It came down to push vs shove and between the two, one had just told him that he wasn't trusted and the other told him he was AND that he could save the love of his life. He didn't have time to carefully weigh it out; he had to decide immediately and once the decision was made he knew there was no turning back. Remember he told Padme that the Jedi had turned treasonous? He had bought into the whole conspiracy thing. As for the younglings, they grow up. If the Jedi had turned, then allowing young Jedi to grow up was unthinkable. Besides, it was not only a test of his loyalty and resolve. It was part of the price of saving Padme. Besides, if he had turned any more slowly, the movie would have lasted too long. ------------------ 4200... Every day! IP: Logged
Rose Pink TUG Member Posts: 285 From: Registered: Sep 2004	posted 05-25-2005 15:28 What was with the wheezing, coughing droid lord? I didn't know machines got emphasema. IP: Logged
ACCfan TUG Member Posts: 480 From: Registered: Jun 2003	posted 05-25-2005 17:33 quote: Originally posted by Rose Pink: What was with the wheezing, coughing droid lord? I didn't know machines got emphasema. He wasn't a droid. He was a living being who was in very bad shape that was being kept alive mechanically just like the eventual Darth Vadar. IP: Logged
PA TUG Member Posts: 4002 From: San Antonio, TX 78258 Registered: Mar 2002	posted 05-25-2005 19:10 Took my 2 kids last night, we all were totally bored. I think the others had a lot of non-action, talking scenes as well, but I don't remember them being as boring. I think one problem is that they had a lot of loose ends to tie up, so it kind of forced them into spending time on stuff they otherwise would have cut out. In general, the last 3 of them haven't been nearly as good (in my opinion) as the 1st (star wars) and 3rd (return of the jedi). IP: Logged
charford TUG Member Posts: 131 From: Registered: Dec 2001	posted 05-25-2005 20:24 We really liked the movie. I decided to wait and see it before taking my 9 year old son who tends to get nightmares. I wouldn't take him, not so much for the violence, but because of the doubletalk of the emperor which is very hard for anyone under 16 to understand IMO. My son's friend did see the movie and told him some of the plot. It was clear that this other child took what the emperor told Anakin to be the whole truth. Much of what the emperor tells Anakin as he convinces him to turn has some grains of truth to it. An adult can see through the deception, but a younger person would have difficulty. Anakin never quite reached the level of maturity where he could see through the deception either and that is how he was turned. This is what makes the movie somewhat dangerous for the younger set IMO. It could lead them to believe that there is justification in going to the dark side if only to benefit those one loves. IP: Logged

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