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ysr_racer TUG MemberPosts: 480 From: RSM, CA. USA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-24-2005 16:12
I work in the IT department of a large corporation. Two of the women that work with me wear WAY too much perfume. I mean 10 – 10 too much. I can smell it from 10 feet and for 10 minutes after they leave the room.According to my girl friend, I should only be able to smell a woman’s perfume when I’ve got my arms around her (I agree). So my question is how can I tactfully tell these two women to tone it down a little and still keep my job? My GF says there’s no way of doing it. Any ideas? Thanks, brad
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calihockey33 TUG MemberPosts: 2034 From: So California, USA Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 05-24-2005 16:14
type a note, leave it on their desk.------------------ Grand Pacific Resorts Owners Group Private Group for Grand Pacific Resorts Owners IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6798 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-24-2005 16:34
This is a common issue and easily handled. Since you work for a large corporation, you have an HR department. Visit with someone in HR and state exactly what you have here - except leave your GF's comparison out, since it's not relevant.If HR does their job, they will determine for themselves whether it's a problem and decide what to do about it. HR people have the training to tactfully handle matters of this type. Unless you are a chronic complainer (and possibly even if you are), HR will take you seriously and do an investigation. Perfume tolerance is an individual matter. Thus, it could be that others don't have a problem and only you do. If that's the case, you may lose out unless you can demonstrate an allergy or some similar medical intolerance. However, if you are aware that others are similarly offended, you should mention that in your discussion with HR. I’ll be curious as to how it goes. Keep us updated.
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SydneyTugger TUG MemberPosts: 1288 From: Sydney, Australia Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 05-24-2005 16:59
And if that doesn't work. Type a note and leave it on their desks. Anonymously.IP: Logged |
short TUG MemberPosts: 267 From: Southern CA, USA Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 05-24-2005 18:31
Personally I hate anon. notes. I have received 3 in the last few months from a women down the street complaining about our construction project is lasting to long and get with it and clean up our yard. I specificly do not move things just to annoy her. If she can not at least sign her name or talk to me directly I consider it worthy only for the trash can.Short IP: Logged |
Jaybee TUG MemberPosts: 1083 From: Sun City, CA, Villas of Sedona,Harbortown Pt., Dikhololo, LWRV, Marriott Desert Springs II Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-24-2005 18:34
Or.....You might post a message that some people are very sensitive to perfumes, and request that people use it with discretion. They say, if you can smell it on yourself, it's too much. Many doctor's offices have the restriction of no perfume, and our Curves gym also asks that we don't wear perfume because of some peoples' sensitivity. Not a big thing to ask. The Battle of the perfumes can get very bordello-like. ------------------ Jean IP: Logged |
ricoba TUG MemberPosts: 916 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-24-2005 19:13
Brad,Check out this link, maybe you can make some money off the offending perfume smells. http://tinyurl.com/b7sll Rick
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Liz Wolf-Spada TUG MemberPosts: 2084 From: Wrightwood, CA, USA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-24-2005 21:38
When I was a state council member at the California Teachers Association, there was always posted information asking people to refrain from wearing perfume as it is a common allergen to many people. I know my husband gets bad headaches around most perfume. I would let HR handle it as an issue of public courtesy and health. LizIP: Logged |
sfwilshire TUG MemberPosts: 2386 From: Clinton TN Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 05-25-2005 02:50
One day last week, there was a meeting in the room down the hall from me. It's about 150 feet from the front entrance. As soon as you came through the entrance door, you could smell the perfume, quite noticably. I didn't get any closer, but I'm sure I couldn't have stayed in the meeting room.Another day a woman stood in my office doorway to ask a question. Her perfume was so strong that even after she was gone I had to open the window and leave the office for a bit until it aired out. Do people REALLY think this is attractive? Sheila IP: Logged |
ctreelmom TUG MemberPosts: 123 From: New Fairfield, CT; Smuggler's Notch, VT Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 05-25-2005 04:53
In the environment in which we operate today, let HR handle it, as I'm sure somebody would find a way to call this sexual harrassment! I know I have to be very careful about which scents I wear, as certain ones can give my husband an instant migraine. He won't even open the department store bills that have the samples inside because of this. When he hires someone new at work (male or female) he tells them upfront about his sensitivity and asks them to please refrain from perfume or cologne; so far it's been fine.Once, many years ago, I was in the grocery store and had on one of my husband's "approved" fragrances (which I couldn't smell at all on myself)and a woman approached me out of nowhere and very loudly told me I smelled like a French w@#$%. I almost cried, I was so mortified! I guess some noses are more sensitve than others. Fast forward to this year, and a male friend asked me what that same fragrance is called, as he really liked it and wanted to get it for his wife. Only trouble was, he TOLD her how he found it, and now she and I laugh about how her husband wants her to smell like me! ------------------ we are all angels with one wing. It is when we help each other that we truly fly. IP: Logged |
jlr10 TUG MemberPosts: 479 From: Poway CA USA Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 05-25-2005 06:26
We had a woman in our office who stated she was highly allergic to perfume and no one was allowed in her office wearing any scent (men or women). Since she did the accounting and we all needed access to her the general rule was no one was to wear perfume or cologne in the entire office. It worked fine for her and everyone else. Although years later I came to find out that she wasn't relly allergic to the smells of everyone, only the ones worn by the people that she didn't like I also worked with a woman who wore way too much perfume. Since her desk and my desk touched it made the early stages of pregnancy quite a challenge! One day I causally asked her why she wore such a strong scent (it was actually just too much, not the scent itself, but I was trying to be tactful) Her response was she had had a tumor in her nose and therefore she had a reduced sense of smell. She had no idea she smelled so strongly. I still see her in business meetings and now she has a nice light scent. So, sometimes, you can approach the problem head on. However, I agree with the other posts. Especially since there is more than one woman 'making a stink.' Request HR address the issue company wide. Then no ones feelings should be hurt, and if it doesn't change, then someone can speak to the ladies individually. IP: Logged |
lvhmbh TUG MemberPosts: 888 From: Boca Raton, FL Own: Bluebeards Castle, USVI, Costa Linda, Aruba, Vistana, FL Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-25-2005 07:54
My eye Dr. and regular Dr. have notes posted at the front desk asking people to refrain from wearing perfume. I have developed an allergy to certain perfumes and they give me an instant headache. I have been in duplicate bridge games where people have said they can't sit down at certain tables because of the smell. The only time I ever said something was when a woman in the grocery store saw me waving my hand in front of my face and backing out of the checkout line she was using. She asked me "what my problem was" and I said I was allergic to her perfume (very strongly applied too). I rarely wear perfume and then extremely light. I would go to HR also. Good luck, LindaIP: Logged |
geekette Non MemberPosts: 271 From: Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 05-25-2005 09:10
It's not just the women. Some men have the same 10 10 effect. HR should be sure to include both genders in this.I remember when the Polo cologne for men came out and apparently the young guys just didn't realize that a little went a long way. I had liked polo but then, after the overexposure, I just couldn't stand it anymore. I agree, let HR deal with it - not worth the risk to you and your reputation. In a big company, it's quite likely not just you with the problem. On the lighter side, let's be joyful that IT has turned into fragrant women instead of the mangy unwashed stereotypical nerdy guy from years ago. Modern geeks do not reek. IP: Logged |
bsifonte TUG MemberPosts: 186 From: Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 05-25-2005 10:29
I used to work in an office, where a guy used to wear too much cologne, his office was right outside mine, and as soon as I walked down the hallway I knew if he was in or not. I never had the nerves to tell him, but I did not even think about going to HR, that would have been a great idea. I have so many types of allergies, and I am extremely sensitive to smells. I would actually get instant headaches, like everyone else described. I thought it was just me, and sometimes my hubby thinks I am crazy when a smell triggers almost a migraine type of headache in matters of seconds. Some fragances are worse than others. I have actually had to throw away some soaps, creams, cleaning supplies that have way too much fragances.It is not even a work related issue only. I have been in classes where other students are wearing too much perfume, elevators, it is a big issues for people with allergies, but I cannot take medication on the chance that I might meet someone with too much perfume, so I guess we will have to just put up with it.
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luckster TUG MemberPosts: 296 From: UK Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 05-25-2005 10:50
On the flip side, the office I am based in has a lovely lady who does some clerical work for us on some days. However the overpowering smell is not that of perfume but of body odour and no body really knows how to tell her.I guess if it were me I'd want to know but be horrified. Tina IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6798 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-25-2005 11:30
Tina -Same recommendation. Go to HR. Or in a smaller company without a formal HR person or department, go to the office manager. We deal with this type of stuff regularly. Perfume, body odor, inappropriate clothing, excessive personal phone calls, etc. It's not a big deal for the experts (HR) to handle. Many years ago, I had a young man work for me who didn't believe in applying "unnatural" things to his body. That included deodorant. It wasn't much fun being around him in our office environment, especially on a warm summer afternoon. Without a formal HR department in the office, I was the bad guy and sat with him. I gave him an option. Find a way to improve his persona or else. He refused to choose. We made the choice for him. Bye-bye. There have been some recent court decisions upholding an employer's right to make such termination decisions.
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ysr_racer TUG MemberPosts: 480 From: RSM, CA. USA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-25-2005 12:10
I contacted HR so we'll see if it helps.------------------ Check out my Sporting Clays page, CLICK HERE!! ysr_racer So. Cal. USA [This message has been edited by ysr_racer (edited 05-25-2005).] IP: Logged |
MRSFUSSY Non MemberPosts: 276 From: Port Jeff., NY USA Registered: May 2002
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posted 05-25-2005 17:55
Hello from Long Island. How about if it was a cigarette smoke smell. That would drive me strsight home.IP: Logged |
CSB TUG MemberPosts: 104 From: Ontario Canada Carriage Hills Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 05-25-2005 19:52
Times have sure changed.It was maybe 28 years ago I worked at the Bank of Canada. We would be counting treasury bills and sometimes had to sit in a vault with no air circulation. One of my co-workers was addicted to tobacco and was always smoking something - usually a pipe. It was very unpleasant and everyone complained but he didn't care and there was no rule against it. Cindy IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6798 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-26-2005 10:09
Here are $10.6 million reasons why HR should take your complaint seriously, with no retaliation for making the complaint. For those not wanting to go to the link, it's a jury verdict against an employer involving a situation where someone complained about a co-worker's perfume and was later fired, allegedly because of making the complaint. IP: Logged |
ysr_racer TUG MemberPosts: 480 From: RSM, CA. USA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-26-2005 15:43
First let me say that the company I work for is a HUGE corporation that all of you know and most of you use. That being said, here's the reply I got from our useless HR dept:Brad, XXXXXXX forwarded your message to me. I understand your concern and appreciate your sensitivity to strong perfume. In cases such as this, I feel it is best to not involve Human Resources unless the situation can not be resolved between co-workers. I suggest you politely explain to XXXXXX that you have allergies and sensitivity to strong fragrances and ask that she be sensitive to that and wear less perfume when at work. If for some reason that conversation becomes antagonistic or the situation prevails please let me know and HR can step in at that point. If you want to discuss what you may say to XXXXXX any further please feel free to call me. Thank you, XXXXXX
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luckster TUG MemberPosts: 296 From: UK Registered: Sep 2004
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posted 05-26-2005 15:50
Unfortunately, HUGE corporations often have a way of employing huge amounts of people that do nothing else but pass tthe problem backwards and forwards.Tina IP: Logged |
Pat H TUG MemberPosts: 3500 From: Penn. Owner-Melia Playa-CostaRica, Sandcastle-Cape Cod,Mayan Palace, Apple Valley-Ohio, FF Patriot's Place-Wmsbg, Dikhololo-SA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-26-2005 15:57
quote: Originally posted by Dave M: Here are $10.6 million reasons why HR should take your complaint seriously, with no retaliation for making the complaint. For those not wanting to go to the link, it's a jury verdict against an employer involving a situation where someone complained about a co-worker's perfume and was later fired, allegedly because of making the complaint.
Oh, Dave, you really are getting senile! You posted a link to the same story as Rick up above.
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Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6798 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-26-2005 16:44
I resemble that remark, Pat! IP: Logged |
Judy321 TUG MemberPosts: 1054 From: Registered: Mar 2004
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posted 05-29-2005 16:48
I'm another one who sometimes gets headaches from others' perfumes.Since HR won't do anything, how about you print out this thread (perhaps blanking out your name), and post it on the bulletin board, or leave it on the co-worker's desk? IP: Logged |