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muranojo TUG Member Posts: 1155 From: ID Registered: Jul 2002	posted 04-06-2004 22:18 Just curious, does anyone else think we should require postings of sightings to be limited to the Sightings Board? We have a great separate Sightings board that provides at least a teeny bit of advantage to members, but I continue to see Sightings posted on other boards which are open to the non-member public. I know we're all trying to help each other, but why open the kimono when only a $15 membership provides us with that tiny bit of advantage AND helps offset the cost of maintaining TUG. It's not just an 'exclusivity' thing, it's also a matter of financial support for TUG. When this type of information gets to the 'open' board, I would think it dilutes the motivation to buy a membership and help fund TUG. JMO. IP: Logged
katiemack TUG Member Posts: 1393 From: Arizona Registered: Jan 2001	posted 04-06-2004 23:09 There certainly does seem to be some inconsistency at times. For example, why is it ok to post on the Hawaii forum that there is a bulk banking for 2005? I just don't get it. Rules seem to say that is a no-no, but then I seem to have a problem with understanding rules lately... IP: Logged
philemer Moderator TUG Volunteer Posts: 2558 From: Idaho-God's Country. Registered: Oct 2001	posted 04-07-2004 17:34 open the kimono? I like that idea. Any t/s in Japan? Phil ------------------ Be careful of what you wish for... IP: Logged
snelson TUG Volunteer Posts: 6520 From: Belly-View, WA. Owner: Embassy Poipu (floating); Winners Circle (Week 52), Raintree Vacation Club; Club Regina Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-08-2004 09:13 Phil - sounds great. I bring three-buck Chuck; Jo opens the kimono. ------------------ Steve Nelson My Seattle Mariners blog ** I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. [This message has been edited by snelson (edited 04-08-2004).] IP: Logged
Dani Moderator TUG Volunteer Posts: 4974 From: New York Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-08-2004 09:44 There was a rather lengthy recent discussion on the topic here. Here's the thread: http://www.tug1.net/tugbbs1/Forum5/HTML/001070.html ------------------ Danielle IP: Logged
muranojo TUG Member Posts: 1155 From: ID Registered: Jul 2002	posted 04-08-2004 18:32 Thanks for the link to the old thread, Dani...doesn't sound like there was any real resolution with that--sounds like a sighting can be posted anywhere the OP chooses. NP. Phil and Steve, O.K., guess I asked for it...poor choice of words. I've heard that with some people--and with enough Three-Buck-Chuck--anything could happen! Think I pulled the same thing last year with a thread I started on hummingbirds...Tonyg got me on that one. IP: Logged
katiemack TUG Member Posts: 1393 From: Arizona Registered: Jan 2001	posted 04-08-2004 18:37 quote: Originally posted by muranojo: Think I pulled the same thing last year You know, if you open the kimono, someone is bound to pull something.... IP: Logged
snelson TUG Volunteer Posts: 6520 From: Belly-View, WA. Owner: Embassy Poipu (floating); Winners Circle (Week 52), Raintree Vacation Club; Club Regina Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-08-2004 19:18 quote: Originally posted by muranojo: Think I pulled the same thing last year with a thread I started on hummingbirds...Tonyg got me on that one. Jo - may be you should be more careful about pulling threads, at least around Phil and me. ------------------ Steve Nelson My Seattle Mariners blog ** I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. IP: Logged
JLB TUG Member Posts: 7189 From: Add another 2500 posts!!! Table Rock Lake, Branson. Registered Dec. 2000 Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-09-2004 17:30 The way I remember it, a Sighting would be allowed in the location where the Moderator deemed it most appropriate. That way, if it was in conjunction with something else, such as an on-going study of a particular area, or a reply to someone's request to check availability, or a discussion of the 45-day window, etc., it did not have to be on the Sightings Board. - - - - - - JLB: "So, the rule is: All Sightings go on the Sightings Board, unless there is a more approporiate forum, right?" - - - - - - EdB Administrator TUG Volunteer Posts: 6638 From: Arizona Registered: Dec 2000 posted 01-03-2004 16:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's a good summary, Jim. quote: Originally posted by muranojo: [B]Thanks for the link to the old thread, Dani...doesn't sound like there was any real resolution with that--sounds like a sighting can be posted anywhere the OP chooses. NP. B] ------------------ JMHO JLB [This message has been edited by JLB (edited 04-09-2004).] IP: Logged
Carl D Non Member Posts: 1199 From: Portland Registered: Apr 2002	posted 04-09-2004 18:29 IMO, the whole system is out of whack. A non member can not access a sighting or a review. That is fine, but since non members can not write reviews or post sightings, members do not have the benefit of possible sightings and reviews from non members. I think the cost of seeing the reviews should be writing one yourself, not paying the $15. Perhaps there would be more current reviews if non members were allowed to write them. Also, as I said in the other thread, the sightings board is used to hide trade tests. These tests are not sightings, as they do not usually reveal great treasure. It is an abuse of the sightings board to hide information that IMO was not intended to be hidden. What if a non member participated in a trade test? ------------------ DVC member IP: Logged
philemer Moderator TUG Volunteer Posts: 2558 From: Idaho-God's Country. Registered: Oct 2001	posted 04-09-2004 20:19 quote: Originally posted by snelson: *Phil - sounds great. I bring three-buck Chuck; Jo opens the kimono.* I don't know if my heart could take it Steve!! I am, after all, a modest man. Phil PS I'm not sure why someone who uses this board a lot would NOT join TUG. ------------------ Be careful of what you wish for... IP: Logged
Fern Modena TUG Member Posts: 7601 From: Southern Nevada Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-09-2004 20:35 Trade tests are in the Sightings area because they are considered a "value added" item for members, as are reviews. Putting them in the Sightings area was the easiest way to do it, since a password is required to go there. They could have been put in the reviews section. I don't think many/any non-members participate in trade tests. If they do, IMHO they should Join TUG Fern quote: Originally posted by Carl D: IMO, the whole system is out of whack. Also, as I said in the other thread, the sightings board is used to hide trade tests. These tests are not sightings, as they do not usually reveal great treasure. It is an abuse of the sightings board to hide information that IMO was not intended to be hidden. What if a non member participated in a trade test? ------------------ Fern Modena Timeshare-guru.com �My words are my own, please don't use them without my permission. IP: Logged
Fern Modena TUG Member Posts: 7601 From: Southern Nevada Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-09-2004 20:39 Carl, I didn't notice till now (after I posted) that you are a "non-member." I didn't mean to insult you with my post, but I am curious...are you still trying us out, or just not a joiner? Or maybe don't feel you need anything behind the "paid door?" Just curious... Fern ------------------ Fern Modena Timeshare-guru.com �My words are my own, please don't use them without my permission. IP: Logged
PStreet1 TUG Member Posts: 1784 From: CO--but since April 22, Arizona Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-09-2004 21:15 I can't imagine not supporting a forum I read regularly and learn from. I, too, feel that sightings are a membership privilege. There are a few non-members that everyone learns from--Teresa and Bootleg to name two--but in most cases non-members are learning but not contributing much of value. I see no reason for those who don't contribute (with knowledge or financial support) to receive two of the most important benefits of TUG: reviews and sightings. JMTCW Pat [This message has been edited by PStreet1 (edited 04-09-2004).] IP: Logged
The Conch Man Non Member Posts: 426 From: Sunny Southwest Florida - Starwood Preferred Guest, Marriott Rewards & La Quinta Returns Member. Registered: Apr 2003	posted 04-10-2004 05:47 No insult intended but I have never needed anything behind the paid door. I still can't figure out what really is advertise or posted within the "sightings area" in my humbled opinion. I'm guessing that its use is for exchangers trying to get into another timeshare that they can't get on their own & the availability of weeks in certain time-frames of the year. Or maybe don't feel you need anything behind the "paid door?" Just curious... Fern [This message has been edited by The Conch Man for spelling again!(edited 04-10-2004).] [This message has been edited by The Conch Man (edited 04-10-2004).] IP: Logged
Heron TUG Member Posts: 1472 From: Ont, Canada Registered: Mar 2003	posted 04-10-2004 06:38 Everyone that participated in the last II trade was emailed a complete set of the results because they participated, status as a member or non-member was never considered. And if they don't reveal "great treasure" and therefore are of little value to you why do you care if they are "hidden"? quote: Originally posted by Carl D: Also, as I said in the other thread, the sightings board is used to hide trade tests. These tests are not sightings, as they do not usually reveal great treasure. It is an abuse of the sightings board to hide information that IMO was not intended to be hidden. What if a non member participated in a trade test? IP: Logged
Carl D Non Member Posts: 1199 From: Portland Registered: Apr 2002	posted 04-10-2004 08:26 quote: Originally posted by PStreet1: I can't imagine not supporting a forum I read regularly and learn from. I, too, feel that sightings are a membership privilege. There are a few non-members that everyone learns from--Teresa and Bootleg to name two--but in most cases non-members are learning but not contributing much of value. I see no reason for those who don't contribute (with knowledge or financial support) to receive two of the most important benefits of TUG: reviews and sightings. I disagree. Although I am far from a TS guru, I do know DVC and Disney pretty well. Anytime someone asks a question about DVC, or Disney in general, I take the time to answer. quote: Originally posted by Fern Modena: Trade tests are in the Sightings area because they are considered a "value added" item for members, as are reviews. Putting them in the Sightings area was the easiest way to do it, since a password is required to go there. They could have been put in the reviews section. I don't think many/any non-members participate in trade tests. If they do, IMHO they should Join TUG Thanks, Fern. That is probably the most reasonable explanation I have heard so far. quote: Originally posted by Fern Modena: Carl, I didn't notice till now (after I posted) that you are a "non-member." I didn't mean to insult you with my post, but I am curious...are you still trying us out, or just not a joiner? Or maybe don't feel you need anything behind the "paid door?" Just curious... Fair question. Although I am somewhat ashamed to admit it, it is pure laziness on my part. I was a member, but my membership expired. I just have not put forth the effort to renew. I know that is a weak excuse, and I will correct it shortly. Because I do use this site, I do believe in helping to support the cost of the site- even if I don't use the member only sections all that much. ------------------ DVC member IP: Logged
JLB TUG Member Posts: 7189 From: Add another 2500 posts!!! Table Rock Lake, Branson. Registered Dec. 2000 Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-10-2004 09:12 I can't imagine not supporting TUG with the nominal contribution, but, Fern, with all the posts from others saying that same thing that have been deleted as being unfair to non-members and a violation of the spirit of TUG, I am more surprised that you would go there, even if it is a personal opinion rather than that of the TUG Administrator. I can see from your post that you were struggling for the proper words so that they do not appear to be "official" or exerting undue pressure. That should have been a clue. I participate, or have, in several forums (boating, legal, Ford, PT Cruiser, home improvement, others) and TUG is the only one I pay for. I don't even recall that any of the others even ask for a contribution. In any event, it has never come up on any forum, that anyone suggested anyone else should join and pay money, so I am surprised by this here. ------------------ JMHO JLB IP: Logged
Fern Modena TUG Member Posts: 7601 From: Southern Nevada Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-10-2004 09:53 Jim, The posts that were "a violation of the spirit of TUG" as you stated were were not the same as my post. I expressed a curiosity. I didn't harrass or harrangue Carl D. in any way (and he understood this). I didn't struggle for the words, etc., I said what I meant to. My post was a personal one. Unless I sign as BBS Manager or in some other way indicate that I am talking about policy, my posts are always personal and carry no significant weight. We've had the discussion before about it being unfair to penalize Volunteers/Administrators by putting special conditions or expectations on their posts. Let's not go there in this thread (preferably let's not go there at all, but that's your choice, I won't stop you). As for people having personal reasons for not joining TUG, there are many. I won't go into detail here, but I've had private discussions with people about this, and in some cases I've sponsored people as well. Fern ------------------ Fern Modena Timeshare-guru.com �My words are my own, please don't use them without my permission. IP: Logged
JLB TUG Member Posts: 7189 From: Add another 2500 posts!!! Table Rock Lake, Branson. Registered Dec. 2000 Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-10-2004 14:40 As you know, Fern, you don't have to explain yourself to me. I just stated what seemed obvious: that it seems strange that a Volunteer, Moderator, or Administrator would openly address the member/non-member issue. I also understand that with no email link there was no other way to ask Carl why he is not a member. - - - - - - EdB Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "TUG is a free site. Period. Nonmembers are welcome without any restrictions. Anyone who wants to become a member can do so. If they choose to join , they can access members-only sections that include reviews and sightings. If they choose not to join, they are welcome to participate as much as they want in the BBS, and it is expected that other TUG members will be gracious and not apply unwelcome pressure." ------------------ JMHO JLB [This message has been edited by JLB (edited 04-10-2004).] IP: Logged
tonyg TUG Member Posts: 6990 From: East Canaan, CT -- Own at:Royal Mayan, Seapointer Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-10-2004 19:08 Gee, Fern didn't bug me when I was posing as a non-member. Carl, you are in for it the next time a DVC topic comes up. ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." *** http://tonygraz0.tripod.com/ IP: Logged
Fern Modena TUG Member Posts: 7601 From: Southern Nevada Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-10-2004 19:59 tony, That's cuz its kinda like trying to teach a pig to sing (bugging you, that is)... Doofus IP: Logged
Carol C TUG Member Posts: 2831 From: Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-14-2004 13:36 Fern, Do TUG dues amount to all that much? Since there are so many that don't want to pay dues (even those that can afford to own Disney) it seems that there is just so much offered on TUG for free that to many folks they think, "why pay?" They very well may have a point! So the question then might be...is there enough $ from banner and other paid ads for TUG to survive and thrive? Perhaps if the paid ad prices were hiked by 20% or so, it would defray the lost revenue if membership dues were done away with. Just wondering if Bill R has ever considered this. A peso for your thoughts... Carol C IP: Logged
Carl D Non Member Posts: 1199 From: Portland Registered: Apr 2002	posted 04-14-2004 14:14 quote: Originally posted by Carol C: Since there are so many that don't want to pay dues (even those that can afford to own Disney) I did not find Fern's comments to be offensive in the least. In fact, I found them to be respectful and polite. On the other hand, I find Carol's comment to be a calculated dig directed at me. As I said earlier, I will re-ante when I get back from my DVC vacation (leaving later tonight). My original membership expired several months back, and I simply never got around to renewing. I hardly ever use the member areas, but since I use the site in general, I feel I should contribute. ------------------ DVC member IP: Logged
GinGin TUG Member Posts: 8680 From: Registered: Apr 2002	posted 04-14-2004 14:27 Fern: That's cuz its kinda like trying to teach a pig to sing... Man, did you ever hit the nail on the head . ------------------ www.picturetrail.com password:gingin (see 15 timeshares we've visited, please lighten screen before viewing) IP: Logged

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