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gshermy2 TUG Member Posts: 30 From: las flores, CA HGVC Orlando Seaworld Registered: Jul 2001	posted 11-16-2004 00:29 I have 7000 points every other year with HGVC. Can I trade into RCI for the Bay Club. If I understand this correctly I would use 3,400 points for the trade and still have 3,600 point for next year? IP: Logged
danb TUG Member Posts: 143 From: Oxford,Ct. USA Owner HGVC (2 Br)Oahu & Hilton Tuscany (3Br) FL Registered: Nov 2002	posted 11-16-2004 04:12 We traded thru RCI last year into the Bay Club. You should be able to trade without a problem. IP: Logged
TTom Moderator TUG Volunteer Posts: 1312 From: Brooklyn, NY Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-16-2004 04:58 You can do the trade for 3400 pts., but it will be a 1 BR unit. A 2BR unit will take 4800 pts. It will also cost you the current RCI exchange fee ($149?). The alternative is to do the reservation directly via HGVC. It will probably cost you all your points, but the fee will only be $49(?). Either way, you should be able to do it. Tom IP: Logged
Sandy Lovell TUG Member Posts: 1476 From: Dallas, TX, VIP Gold Fairfield Points(4 units), HGVC Elite (Bay Club, Seaworld), Tradewinds Cruise Club + 4 others Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-16-2004 14:12 Alternatively you could trade via HGVC into Bay Club but try to obtain an exchange during Gold Season instead of Platinum. There are 10 weeks a year that are considered Gold instead of Platinum by HGVC where as by RCI they are Red time year round. IP: Logged
Dave32 Non Member Posts: 7 From: Miami, Florida Registered: Sep 2004	posted 11-16-2004 14:42 Four items to consider when exchanging to bayclub via RCI vs. HGVC: 1-) Bayclub enforces the 1 in 4 rule, but you do save some points via RCI. 2-) Typically there will be more inventory to choose for Club members than for RCI exchangers, since you have to wait for a BC member to exchange via RCI for that inventory to become available. 3-) When you request the Bayclub via RCI you are competing with a much, much larger base or RCI members trying to get the same space, as opposed to competing with only HGVC members. 4-) RCI enforces the scheduled check-in day and 7 nights // with HGVC you can check in any day + 3 night minimum so you have more flexibility with flights and rates. IP: Logged
TTom Moderator TUG Volunteer Posts: 1312 From: Brooklyn, NY Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-16-2004 16:19 To my understanding (YMMV): 1. Bay Club can't really enforce 1/4 for HGVC exchanges because HGVC exchanges are ALL made through the same RCI account. Bay Club has little way of knowing who made the exchange. (Also, since 1/4 is primarily a marketing tool, and since BC is substantially sold out, I'd be a little surprised if they were very sticky about it.) 2. Not all BC units are HGVC units. There are a significant number of owned units which are "dealt" directly through RCI. I'm not sure what the numbers play out as, but I would think there are still a number of BC owners who deposit with RCI directly. 3. HGVC seems to get EXTREMELY high priority on RCI searches (since RCI gets an HGVC unit in exchange). That would tend to (at least) level the playing field for contention with the RCI general membership. I don't really know anything about point 4 except that BC units all have assigned check-in days. If you check in for a week on an "off" day, you would effectively be tying up two units (one for each week). I suppose they could do that. As always, I could be wrong about any of these points. They are MHO. Ciao, Tom IP: Logged
gshermy2 TUG Member Posts: 30 From: las flores, CA HGVC Orlando Seaworld Registered: Jul 2001	posted 11-16-2004 18:18 Thank you, you have all been very helpful IP: Logged
Jim and Cindy TUG Member Posts: 506 From: Anthem Arizona, USA,Hurricane House flex (HGVC) Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-17-2004 14:23 I agree with TTom. Historically there has been much better Bay Club availability in RCI. The resort was not developed by HGVC. When HGVC took over management they offered owners membership for $800 or so. Many owners never converted. Also, I believe the 1 in 4 rule is waived for HGVC members at HGVC resorts. In addition, members experience great trading with RCI and receive preferrential treatment trading into HGVC resorts. IP: Logged
gshermy2 TUG Member Posts: 30 From: las flores, CA HGVC Orlando Seaworld Registered: Jul 2001	posted 11-17-2004 23:01 Since I apparently do not understand the program completely, am i wwong in thinking that my 7000 Hilton points could convert into 2 RCI weeks at 3,400 each IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 762 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 11-18-2004 10:48 quote: Originally posted by gshermy2: Since I apparently do not understand the program completely, am i wwong in thinking that my 7000 Hilton points could convert into 2 RCI weeks at 3,400 each That is correct 3400 for a one bedroom and 4800 for a two bedroom plus a RCI reservation fee for each week. IP: Logged
calihockey33 TUG Member Posts: 1890 From: So California, USA Registered: Sep 2003	posted 11-18-2004 13:40 quote: Originally posted by Jim and Cindy: I agree with TTom. Historically there has been much better Bay Club availability in RCI. The resort was not developed by HGVC. When HGVC took over management they offered owners membership for $800 or so. Many owners never converted. Also, I believe the 1 in 4 rule is waived for HGVC members at HGVC resorts. In addition, members experience great trading with RCI and receive preferrential treatment trading into HGVC resorts. The 1-4 rule isn't waived for HGVC owners that also have a regular weeks RCI account (unless u own at BC) , I'm not sure about the HGVC RCI account. The membership fee is now $399.00, unless you're already an HGVC owner, then its $200 confused yet? IP: Logged
myip TUG Member Posts: 312 From: Registered: Sep 2002	posted 11-18-2004 16:05 quote: Originally posted by calihockey33: The membership fee is now $399.00, unless you're already an HGVC owner, then its $200 Calihockey33, Are you saying that, if you are already an HGVC member, you still have to pay $200 to add Bay Club to your membership? I thought you don't have to pay. IP: Logged
Sandy Lovell TUG Member Posts: 1476 From: Dallas, TX, VIP Gold Fairfield Points(4 units), HGVC Elite (Bay Club, Seaworld), Tradewinds Cruise Club + 4 others Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-23-2004 08:18 I converted my Bay Club when the cost to join HGVC was $899. I am a little annoyed that it has dropped to $399. I just purchased a resale Seaworld week through Hilton Realty to add to my membership and obtain Elite status. Even though I already have a HGVC membership it was a $200 charge to add/transfer the Seaworld property to my account. In spite of my little annoyances, I love HGVC, but I still wish they would expand their locations. I love the new Las Vegas strip property and actually managed to pick up a 2 BR LO unit through RCI. I have gotten permission from HGVC to add a flag or some notation to my RCI account that I am an HGVC owner and that I AM exempt from the 1 in 4 rule at HGVC properties. I have booked into the Las Vegas Property both this year and last year via RCI, no issues. I have also booked 2 Seaworlds the same year, again exempt from the 1 in 4 rule. [This message has been edited by Sandy Lovell (edited 11-23-2004).] IP: Logged
steve b TUG Member Posts: 105 From: Houston,Texas,USA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-23-2004 19:12 I am a Bay Club Owner but have not joined HGVC do to the high conversion costs. Where is the 399.00 offer? IP: Logged
myip TUG Member Posts: 312 From: Registered: Sep 2002	posted 11-23-2004 19:36 You can call 808-886-8201 HGVC in Kona. They can register your unit with HGVC. IP: Logged
Emi TUG Member Posts: 115 From: New York, Ny Registered: Dec 2000	posted 11-23-2004 19:41 The Bay Club is approximately 50% converted to HGVC. This split does impact your ability to trade, since members can only get availability from other like member deposits(HGVC or regular owners)As more owners convert to HGVC, it will tip the balance. Owners that have not joined tend to be the ones that use their unit every year.If you are interested in joining HGVC, contact owner services. The price for conversion seems to have changed a number of times over the last 2 years. It has been $1299, $899, $99 and most recently $399. Exchanges are becoming more difficult since RCI would rather sell them on SkyAuction. We need to voice these concerns to the Board. IP: Logged
calihockey33 TUG Member Posts: 1890 From: So California, USA Registered: Sep 2003	posted 11-24-2004 19:51 quote: Originally posted by myip: Calihockey33, Are you saying that, if you are already an HGVC member, you still have to pay $200 to add Bay Club to your membership? I thought you don't have to pay. Sorry to reply so late. I bought my first HGVC which was HGVC las vegas.. It was $99 to join at the time. Then I bought BayClub, it is $399 if you don't have any type of HGVC membership, or it's $200 if you are adding it to an existing membership. If Bayclub or any other non HGVC developed property is your first HGVC purchase. The membership cost is $399 IP: Logged

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