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IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 96 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-12-2005 07:09 My wife and I are current owners of a week 51 timeshare in Key West. We are now in the market to purchase another one. Our current timeshare trades with Interval International. And we have had no trouble trading to go wherever we've wanted to go. We would like something similar. With our next timeshare, we would like a resort that trades with RCI. As we would probably never stay in our resort, we also want something with a high trade value as well. (We were thinking Hawaii.) After reading through many posts, and joining TUG yesterday, I would like to hear the thoughts of other users. What would be best for us? Where should we purchase? Which resort? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! IP: Logged
cz TUG Member Posts: 3299 From: The Rushes wk 26, Lake Forest wk 3, Christmas Mt 6 UDI's up to 17 wks each UDI. 3 Cottages & 3 OakTimbers. RCI Pts, Florida Bay Club, Key Largo Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-12-2005 07:58 With the cost of a RCI exchange at $149 and a yearly membership fee at $79 that brings the total to $224 to try for a trade into Hawaii. Why not just buy in Hawaii and save that $224 to use for those higher maintenance fees and buy at the resort that you want to go to? Maybe a EOY might be something to consider for Hawaii? Bruce ------------------ Bruce F. & Judy Czajkowski, Kansasville Wi. Judy is a teacher and Bruce is retired and thinks that you are never to old to have a happy childhood. Also own at Driftwood Inn, Vero Beach wk 14, wk 52 Sea Club IV,Daytona The Islander wk 12(non RCI or II) North Reddington Beach, Florida Bay Club in Key Largo and a Rayburn Country that is somewere in Texas. IP: Logged
PA TUG Member Posts: 4004 From: San Antonio, TX 78258 Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-12-2005 08:01 All of my RCI exchanges are through RCI POINTS, even the "week" exchanges, and I've found that to be the best way to get the least expensive exchanges and the best exchanges. You'll have to be careful to get the most points for your maintenance fees, preferably less than .7 cent per point. Keep your eye on ebay. Just do a search for RCI POINTS. You may have to buy one Points resort (preferably either already converted to points, or with a low conversion cost) to get into points, and another ownership that isn't in points to use for "Points for Deposit". If you aren't familiar with this subject or any of these terms, use TUG's search feature to find past discussions. IP: Logged
KELSO TUG Member Posts: 277 From: Montgomery, Illinois Registered: May 2003	posted 04-12-2005 08:01 First, welcome to TUG. You will find that it is the best $15 you have spent. I hope you are not looking for an easy answer. Some may give you ideas which I know is what you are looking for, but you are now in the study mode. You need to study and read on TUG. If you do you will find what you are looking for. One thought: Why would you want to have one timeshare with II and a another one with RCI. That really increased the annual cost of ownership, especially if you have high maintenance fees on top of it. If you buy a Hawaii week you may want to use an independant exchange company like SFX (SanFrancisco Exchange) but that would still increase your costs. ------------------ What does it profit a man to win an arguement and to lose a friend? IP: Logged
IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 96 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-12-2005 08:24 quote: Originally posted by cz: With the cost of a RCI exchange at $149 and a yearly membership fee at $79 that brings the total to $224 to try for a trade into Hawaii. Why not just buy in Hawaii and save that $224 to use for those higher maintenance fees and buy at the resort that you want to go to? Maybe a EOY might be something to consider for Hawaii? Bruce We intend to exclusively use our new timeshare for trading only. Odds are that we'll never stay there. We prefer to travel to as many places as we can. So buying into a resort, for the purpose of using that resort, just doesn't fit our needs. IP: Logged
Dunk TUG Member Posts: 402 From: Novato, Ca. USA Peregrine Townhomes, Fox Run, Durban Sands Registered: Jan 2001	posted 04-12-2005 08:35 Mr Walrus, I just wanted to point out that it is up to you to go into your TUG profile and change your status to "member". Welcome to TUG....you've come to the right place. ------------------ Dunk Some of it's magic, some of it's tragic, but I've had a good life all the way... Jimmy Buffett IP: Logged
IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 96 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-12-2005 08:36 quote: Originally posted by KELSO: One thought: Why would you want to have one timeshare with II and a another one with RCI. That really increased the annual cost of ownership, especially if you have high maintenance fees on top of it. If you buy a Hawaii week you may want to use an independant exchange company like SFX (SanFrancisco Exchange) but that would still increase your costs. I've noticed other users mentioning a membership fee for II. We don't have a fee with II. All we have to pay is an exchange fee (which I believe is $129.00) everytime we trade. Perhaps this was simply included with the purchase of our timeshare. Our current timeshare is with the Hyatt, in Key West. We get 2200 points annually, which convert to 2200 points with II. Do timeshares that deal with RCI have the same conversion? If I'm not mistaken, the most points that RCI "charges" for a 2-bedroom suite is 4500 points. We would want to have at least that many. IP: Logged
PStreet1 TUG Member Posts: 1843 From: CO--but since April 22, Arizona Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-12-2005 08:43 If you want the property only for trading, you might consider something like Worldmark. Worldmark trades well with both RCI and II, the maint. fees are reasonable (around $450 for enough Worldmark points for a two bedroom; that's 10,000 points), and you can buy Worldmark points from a re-seller for $.85 a point or less. (The Worldmark points convert to RCI points for enough RCI points to get a two bedroom, but that number won't be the same number as the 10,000 Worldmark points.) You would also have the option of using your Worldmark points within the Worldmark system for their resorts. Another possibility would be Fairfield; they, too, trade well and have their own point system--much as Hyatt does--that you could use within the Fairfield system if you wanted. Pat IP: Logged
IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 96 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-12-2005 08:50 quote: Originally posted by PStreet1: If you want the property only for trading, you might consider something like Worldmark. Worldmark trades well with both RCI and II, the maint. fees are reasonable (around $450 for enough Worldmark points for a two bedroom; that's 10,000 points), and you can buy Worldmark points from a re-seller for $.85 a point or less. (The Worldmark points convert to RCI points for enough RCI points to get a two bedroom, but that number won't be the same number as the 10,000 Worldmark points.) You would also have the option of using your Worldmark points within the Worldmark system for their resorts. Another possibility would be Fairfield; they, too, trade well and have their own point system--much as Hyatt does--that you could use within the Fairfield system if you wanted. Pat Great info. Thanks! In regards to Worldmark, do you buy strictly points? Or do you buy a week at a resort? And if it's just points, is there such a thing as "Hawaii points" - or any specific location? And if so, do points at one specific location have a better trade value than another? ------------------ ON A QUEST TO VISIT ALL 50 STATES. 7 TO GO... IP: Logged
Cappy TUG Member Posts: 451 From: Michigan Registered: Mar 2001	posted 04-12-2005 09:16 I would buy a 2 bedroom unit @ Hilton Grand Vacation Club in (Marco Island, close to your key west week maybe week #52 which is 7000 points with HGVC & RCI & has great trade with II also or Hawaii. They trade the best with RCI, they have resorts in Hawaii that you could use your points thu there club & not wait for RCI to find you a unit. I think that would be your best buy! IP: Logged
cz TUG Member Posts: 3299 From: The Rushes wk 26, Lake Forest wk 3, Christmas Mt 6 UDI's up to 17 wks each UDI. 3 Cottages & 3 OakTimbers. RCI Pts, Florida Bay Club, Key Largo Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-12-2005 09:44 Most of the RCI Points resorts charge more than 45,000 RCI Points for a 2 bedroom Gold Crown unit. If it is a Gold Crown 2 bedroom RCI Points unit about 64,000 RCI (or even more) Points are needed for high demand times. Your 45,000 RCI Points is valid for the "genaric" RCI Points Grid and not for a RCI Points resort. The least amount of yearly RCI Points I would be comfortable with would be 500,000 RCI Points. You are in some way paying a yearly dues to II just like Bluegreen points owners do through their Bluegreen Club dues paid for their "Free" RCI weeks memberships. Yes you are correct that the exchange fee for II is $129 which we just paid for a exchange into a Marriott. IMHO take PA's advise and do your homework and scroll back on the old strings and the Tug advise section to vastly increase your knownledge about RCI points, etc. P.S. we live about 28 miles southwest of the Milwaukee Airport. Bruce quote: Originally posted by IAMTHEWALRUS: I've noticed other users mentioning a membership fee for II. We don't have a fee with II. All we have to pay is an exchange fee (which I believe is $129.00) everytime we trade. Perhaps this was simply included with the purchase of our timeshare. Our current timeshare is with the Hyatt, in Key West. We get 2200 points annually, which convert to 2200 points with II. Do timeshares that deal with RCI have the same conversion? If I'm not mistaken, the most points that RCI "charges" for a 2-bedroom suite is 4500 points. We would want to have at least that many. ------------------ Bruce F. & Judy Czajkowski, Kansasville Wi. Judy is a teacher and Bruce is retired and thinks that you are never to old to have a happy childhood. Also own at Driftwood Inn, Vero Beach wk 14, wk 52 Sea Club IV,Daytona The Islander wk 12(non RCI or II) North Reddington Beach, Florida Bay Club in Key Largo and a Rayburn Country that is somewere in Texas. [This message has been edited by cz (edited 04-12-2005).] IP: Logged
IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 96 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-12-2005 09:55 Actually, our II membership is in fact paid by the Hyatt. We have no yearly fee. Although it's reasonable to assume that the Hyatt somehwat included that fee in our original timeshare purchase price. This seems like a lot of work. But I'm determined to make the right choice. I'm assuming at this point that we should buy resale. But I'm still not sure about purchasing a week, or just points at a given resort. ------------------ ON A QUEST TO VISIT ALL 50 STATES. 7 TO GO... IP: Logged
Bill4728 TUG Member Posts: 449 From: Sumner, WA Owner: Club Intrawest, Monarch Grand Vacation & Mountainside Lodge Registered: Apr 2004	posted 04-12-2005 10:10 quote: Originally posted by IAMTHEWALRUS: I'm assuming at this point that we should buy resale. But I'm still not sure about purchasing a week, or just points at a given resort. (previously -- I want a RCI resort) Yes, Buy resale. Hilton and Worldmark are both great choices. Hilton, you buy a week somewhere within Hilton, then use points to exchange. But with WM, you just buy points with no home resort. Both are good companies with several internal resorts (WM has >50 resorts) and both trade very well with RCI. Good Luck ------------------ Bill IP: Logged
calihockey33 TUG Member Posts: 2036 From: So California, USA Registered: Sep 2003	posted 04-12-2005 10:34 I agree witrh Bill, HGVC (Hilton) and Worldmark are two great options in RCI. I love HGVC, but in your case I would choose Worldmark. One of the best benefits of Hitlon is splitting your points for shorts stays and it appears you don;t live within drving distaqnce of the Hilton resorts. So that option might not appeal to you. I don't know the typical costs of Worldmark, but a tugger (Seth) has this resale site. Seems like good prices from what I know. www.sellingtimeshares.net 10,000 points for .74 cents each.. I believe thats about 1/2 what the developer charges. I think there is another tugger out there that sells Worldmark, but I forgot who it is. ------------------ Grand Pacific Resorts Owners Group Private Group for Grand Pacific Resorts Owners IP: Logged
PA TUG Member Posts: 4004 From: San Antonio, TX 78258 Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-12-2005 10:35 quote: Originally posted by Bill4728: .. Both are good companies with several internal resorts (WM has >50 resorts) and both trade very well with RCI. But both are very expensive, if all you want to do is trade them anyway. Of course, your week 52 at Hyatt on Key West wasn't exactly cheap. IP: Logged
IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 96 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-12-2005 11:07 quote: Originally posted by PA: But both are very expensive, if all you want to do is trade them anyway. Of course, your week 52 at Hyatt on Key West wasn't exactly cheap. No it wasn't. But we have no complaints, as we've always been able to get in wherever we've wanted to. I'd like to get the best deal I can. But I don't mind paying a bit more, if it's worth it for trade value. ------------------ ON A QUEST TO VISIT ALL 50 STATES. 7 TO GO... [This message has been edited by IAMTHEWALRUS (edited 04-12-2005).] IP: Logged
myip TUG Member Posts: 362 From: Registered: Sep 2002	posted 04-12-2005 12:59 I would buy Hilton, 7000 Pts. It trades great in RCI and you don't have to pay RCI membership since it is included in the maintenace fees. It has 2 Hawaii resorts. You can use it for the hotel if you want to. It will give you more options as how to use your week. It will compliment with your II membership with Hyatt. [This message has been edited by myip (edited 04-12-2005).] IP: Logged
IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 96 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-12-2005 13:26 I've looked around a bit for a few ads for Hilton points. It's very hard to get any information out of RCI, unless you happen to be a member. If we had 7000 Hilton points, and chose to trade them to RCI, what do we get in return? ------------------ ON A QUEST TO VISIT ALL 50 STATES. 7 TO GO... IP: Logged
calihockey33 TUG Member Posts: 2036 From: So California, USA Registered: Sep 2003	posted 04-12-2005 14:00 Read this article http://www.tug2.net/advice/hgvc.htm If you have more HGVC questions, there is a hotel based board on Tug post your questions there. The same website I gave you previously deals in most of the top quality timeshare mini systems.. Hyatt, Hilton, Worldmark, and Marriott. He can give you the ins and outs. ------------------ Grand Pacific Resorts Owners Group Private Group for Grand Pacific Resorts Owners IP: Logged
1341a TUG Member Posts: 140 From: ontario Registered: Sep 2003	posted 04-12-2005 14:56 Why don't you just buy another at the resort you already own? IP: Logged
akdeweyj TUG Member Posts: 20 From: Alaska Own: SVC Hawaii Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-12-2005 17:31 My wife & I are current owners of Shell Vacation Club (SVC) points for Hawaii that trade into the RCI system and we have them for sale (you can see our ad in the TUG classified ads). Besides the sales pitch, if you have questions on points & SVC, send them to me & I'll let you know what I can. IP: Logged
PStreet1 TUG Member Posts: 1843 From: CO--but since April 22, Arizona Registered: Dec 2000	posted 04-13-2005 13:45 One of the better things about Worldmark (and probably for Fairfield) is that the maint. fees are so low. You can buy 10,000 points (enough for a red two bedroom) for less than $8,000 and have a very good trader--got me Rome--for relatively low maint. fees even after you factor in the RCI trade fee. Should you want to use the Worldmark resorts, Worldmark allows you to use small intervals--even single nights. IP: Logged
PA TUG Member Posts: 4004 From: San Antonio, TX 78258 Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-13-2005 14:16 quote: Originally posted by akdeweyj: My wife & I are current owners of Shell Vacation Club (SVC) points for Hawaii that trade into the RCI system and we have them for sale (you can see our ad in the TUG classified ads). Besides the sales pitch, if you have questions on points & SVC, send them to me & I'll let you know what I can. How many points do you have, and what's the maintenance fee? IP: Logged
IAMTHEWALRUS TUG Member Posts: 96 From: MILWAUKEE, WI. Registered: Apr 2005	posted 04-13-2005 14:28 I'm now leaning towards a week at the Kona Coast Resort, or Worldmark points. Are they any Kona Coast owners in here? If so, how's the trade value? I've stayed there twice myself. I assume it's pretty good. ------------------ ON A QUEST TO VISIT ALL 50 STATES. 7 TO GO... IP: Logged
PA TUG Member Posts: 4004 From: San Antonio, TX 78258 Registered: Mar 2002	posted 04-13-2005 14:28 quote: Originally posted by PStreet1: One of the better things about Worldmark (and probably for Fairfield) is that the maint. fees are so low. ... Not true of Fairfield, their fees are very high at most of their resorts. Plus, they add $79 per year on top of their generally high fees for an RCI membership, but the walrus already has an RCI account. Also, the walrus' goal was to get an II trader, and FF points is strictly RCI. I just used 4000 Worldmark points to get a 2 bedroom at the royal islander next month in cancun through II. Total cost of the maintenance fees for 4000 points + the exchange fees; less than $350. [This message has been edited by PA (edited 04-13-2005).] IP: Logged

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