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Topic: Marriott has started issuing 2005 week 53 invitations
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Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6405 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-10-2005 20:39
A reliable TUGger has given me some details of an invitation just received from Marriott to reserve a week 53. The TUGger is supposed to list six choices. The correspondence specifies that reservations are for occupancy only - no rentals are permitted. Included is a special code for selecting the week.This TUGger would almost certainly fit within whatever Marriott's definition is of its best customers. IP: Logged |
Quilter TUG MemberPosts: 1676 From: MI Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-10-2005 20:51
How were they contacted?IP: Logged |
JBRES1 TUG MemberPosts: 1530 From: Naperville, Il- Chicago area--- Marriott Ocean Pointe Resort Platinum and Gold week Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-10-2005 20:55
Well I guess I'm not getting a week 53. Jim BreslinIP: Logged |
floyddl TUG MemberPosts: 142 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 04-11-2005 03:18
Dave, Does the 6 choices relate to a week at the 6 resorts that this person owns at or is open to weeks at other resorts? Or is the 6 choices for for stay at designated weeks at one resort?IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6405 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-11-2005 05:19
The invitation was to list up to six resorts in Marriott's system (for week 53) that the recipient is willing to accept. Marriott will assign only one of the six selected weeks to this TUGger. For occupancy only. No exchanges or renting allowed. The invitation was a letter, not e-mail. The fees vary by resort and, for a week at any specific resort, are slightly higher than annual maintenance fees at such resort. As was the case last year, not all "week 53s" start on December 31. At some resorts, the assigned "week 53" starts on a different day (e.g., December 17). IP: Logged |
dougp26364 TUG MemberPosts: 1961 From: Wichita KS owner: Polo Towers/ The Villas at Polo Towers/ Marriot's Ocean Point/Marriott's Grand Chateau/ HGVC LVStrip/ Grand Regency Branson, MO Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 04-11-2005 05:21
Obviously, I"m not on one of their best customer lists either. I don't think I'll buy a couple of more weeks just to get on it either. I already have enough weeks that taking a week 53 vacation might be tough.Maybe when we exercise our option to purchase the other half of the EOY Grand Chateau we just bought we'll be closer to becoming one of their "best" customers. Somehow or another, I bet it takes a couple more weeks than that. IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6405 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-11-2005 05:39
Although I'm not sure, it would appear that referrals - not just ownership - play at least some part in whatever formula Marriott is using to determine who gets these invitations. That would make sense and fits with our earlier speculation here as to what might constitute a "best customer". Now I'm wishing that I had been more diligent in providing such referrals! IP: Logged |
pwrshift TUG MemberPosts: 2827 From: Toronto Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-11-2005 05:46
Well that lets me out...snail mail to Canada won't reach me until next year! Brian quote: Originally posted by Dave M: ...The invitation was a letter, not e-mail.).
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dougp26364 TUG MemberPosts: 1961 From: Wichita KS owner: Polo Towers/ The Villas at Polo Towers/ Marriot's Ocean Point/Marriott's Grand Chateau/ HGVC LVStrip/ Grand Regency Branson, MO Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 04-11-2005 08:00
quote: Originally posted by Dave M: Although I'm not sure, it would appear that referrals - not just ownership - play at least some part in whatever formula Marriott is using to determine who gets these invitations. That would make sense and fits with our earlier speculation here as to what might constitute a "best customer". Now I'm wishing that I had been more diligent in providing such referrals!
At this point, I think most of our friends and family would hire a hit man if we put them on one more list for someone to contact them about buying a TS. Nothing like having a family member who puts your name on a telemarketing list or a list to get more junk mail.
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rthib TUG MemberPosts: 213 From: Savage,MN USA Owner: Marriott Shadow Ridge Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 04-11-2005 14:49
I tried wading through the longer thread on week 53, but could not find the answer.Did Marriott change week 53 program? I easily got one last year for Shadow Ridge, just had to call in on the day. Is that no longer the case? IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6405 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-11-2005 15:31
Yes. Marriott first indicated earlier this year that they would likely be offering week 53s to MVCI's "best customers", with that term undefined. Then recently, a TUGger got a letter indicating that Marriott was considering allocating week 53s based on a lottery system. Next came the letter indicated in this thread. What it takes to get that invitation is unknown. IP: Logged |
dougp26364 TUG MemberPosts: 1961 From: Wichita KS owner: Polo Towers/ The Villas at Polo Towers/ Marriot's Ocean Point/Marriott's Grand Chateau/ HGVC LVStrip/ Grand Regency Branson, MO Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 04-11-2005 15:39
quote: Originally posted by Dave M: What it takes to get that invitation is unknown.
Give them more money is my guess. Either yours or someone else's. IP: Logged |
GrayFal TUG MemberPosts: 2342 From: The Hamptons, NY Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 04-11-2005 18:46
quote: Originally posted by Quilter: How were they contacted?
After I read Dave's post, I assumed the TUGger was YOU.....and if you didn't get one then who the heck did!------------------ Pat My Trips and Travel Website - Pictures and More... IP: Logged |
Quilter TUG MemberPosts: 1676 From: MI Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-11-2005 18:57
Not me. But I'm still hopeful.
quote: Originally posted by GrayFal: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Quilter: [b]How were they contacted?
After I read Dave's post, I assumed the TUGger was YOU.....and if you didn't get one then who the heck did![/B][/QUOTE] IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6405 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-11-2005 21:07
quote: Originally posted by GrayFal: After I read Dave's post, I assumed the TUGger was YOU.....and if you didn't get one then who the heck did!
It's someone you know very well, Pat! LOL Nuf said. IP: Logged |
Marty Cloin TUG MemberPosts: 58 From: mansfield,tx,usa Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 04-15-2005 03:44
It must be related to the number of referals because I own 28 annual weeks and did not get the letter either. I do refer some people to Marriott but I do not know if they buy or not. Who ever that person is who got the letter good for you, enjoy it and make a memory. Fellow tuggers have a great day. Marty BTW, Dave thank you for your post. I look for your input all the time. Tug is blessed in having you. Take care
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JonP TUG MemberPosts: 240 From: England; Marriott Club Son Antem (2wks plat); Playa Andaluza (3bed gold) Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-15-2005 04:06
The following is the reply I got from MVCI European Services, in response to an email I sent regarding the allocation of week 53 at my home resorts,‘Thank you for contacting Marriott Vacation Club International with regards the invitation to reserve the week 53 (Gift of time) unit. Marriott Vacation Club International owns the rights to “week 53”. Due to significant challenges meeting demand in the past and, subsequently, dissatisfaction with the week 53 process, Marriott Vacation Club International has changed the program to invite only a select group of owners to reserve a week 53 unit for 2005. Owners were selected based on combination of how many weeks they owned and how many weeks have been purchased by referrals. Owners were sorted based on this criteria.’
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floyddl TUG MemberPosts: 142 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 04-15-2005 05:15
Well I guess the criteria for inclusion is above someone who owns 4 week (2 Plat Plus and 2 Plat) and has had one owner referral that has purchased in the last 5 years. I have not received an invitation. This does not give me any additional incentive to refer more people though. I suspect that not all week 53s are being offered and some are being rented by Marriott. I guess the next question is will the same people be offered this next year or will they take up where they left off on their list? Or will they do something totally different?IP: Logged |
Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6405 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-15-2005 05:27
Just a guess....Since - this method of selling week 53s is a new program,
- it's unclear how many of those who are invited to purchase a week 53 will do so and
- there's no immediate urgency to get those weeks sold (week 53 is 8+ months away!)....
I'm guessing that Marriott has merely sent out some trial invitations and will send another group of letters, perhaps a much larger group, after it gauges the response to its first mailing. IP: Logged |
PerryM TUG MemberPosts: 1553 From: Ballwin, MO, Park Plaza in Park City; WorldMark &TrendWest; RCI Points; Windjammer tall ship; SA Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-15-2005 07:14
It would seem to me that week 53 is to reward “best customers” but ultimately use it to increase sales.It makes no sense to keep the definition of “best customer” a corporate secret – the whole idea is to announce to the world what the heck a “best customer” is – and try to encourage more Marriott owners to not stay a “plain-Jane” but to become a “best customer. It just sounds screwy to me. Why not announce to the world: “Marriott owners who own 5+ weeks which were purchased from Marriott AND have gotten 2+ new owners for Marriott (as measured by 2 - 40,000 MRP referrals) are now defined as a Marriott “Best Customer”. What’s so hard about that? “Marriott will periodically reward our “Best Customers” with unique opportunities that make becoming a “Best Customer” well worth your while” Inquire Now! Only the first 500 applicants will be eligible!” Instead Marriott seems to be fumbling around in the dark without a flashlight. Perry
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Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6405 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-15-2005 07:38
If Marriott made the type of announcement you suggest and then later decided to scuttle the program, accusations such as you are making might well be valid.Accordingly, I think it does make sense to keep it fairly quiet - at least at this point. First, it's something new and untested. Second, it's something that might not work as well or as smoothly as they hope. Thus, third, it might wind up being a "this year only" program. Fourth, for the reasons stated in my post above, I'm guessing they have no idea what level of best customer will ultimately get offered one of these weeks. Thus, "fumbling around in the dark" is what we are doing with respect to our knowledge of the program, but it seems far from anything we can accurately assume Marriott is doing with this program. Just because we don't have all of the facts doesn't mean that Marriott is making missteps.
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PerryM TUG MemberPosts: 1553 From: Ballwin, MO, Park Plaza in Park City; WorldMark &TrendWest; RCI Points; Windjammer tall ship; SA Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-15-2005 07:57
Dave,It seems to me that Marriott apparently is contacting Marriott owners who already have met the definition of “Best Customer” and Marriott must realize that word will leak out and rumors abound. The Internet and Blog-o-sphere are reshaping current events and the way news is learned. I wonder if Marriott is aware of this and if this won’t come back to bite them in the butt. I just can’t imagine that the official policy of Marriott is “Let’s see what sticks to the wall and go with that”. But, maybe this is a new management technique that the MBA’s are being taught now days. Marriott would be better informed if they convened a focus group made up of active Marriott owners and there are a bunch here on TUG (I’m not this second a Marriott owner). Any Marriott owner been approached? Perry
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Dave M Administrator TUG MemberPosts: 6405 From: Boston, MA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-15-2005 08:19
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue, Perry. You could be right, but I have to believe that Marriott has a better handle on how to run its programs than you and I do. It has all of the data, perhaps even the results of focus groups for all we know. We have none of the data with which to make an informed decision as to what Marriott should do. Somehow, Marriott has been very successful in what it does, even if not all of us are happy with every decision or procedure that Marriott adopts. My guess is that success will continue, no matter what we think about a specific program. And I can't believe that something as insignificant (in the whole Marriott program) as how they choose to run their week 53 program will "come back to bite them".
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PerryM TUG MemberPosts: 1553 From: Ballwin, MO, Park Plaza in Park City; WorldMark &TrendWest; RCI Points; Windjammer tall ship; SA Registered: May 2002
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posted 04-15-2005 08:39
Well, I’m just guessing and my opinion means nothing to Marriott.However, I do know that when a company starts to classify their customers (owners) this becomes quite a big deal to them. FF’s VIP is one such example. Their whole marketing effort is now revolving around the VIP stature and how to achieve it. When we took our multiple FF tours just a few weeks ago VIP was brought up within 5 minutes in the presentations. If Marriott is beginning to classify their customers I do believe it can have a major impact on Marriott’s reputation and its sales efforts. To introduce a customer classification along with revamping the week 53 policy seems to me to be asking for a mistake that could really hurt them. With the policy change of Friday call-in days for reservations (many a Marriott owner has expressed frustration) I’m concerned that Marriott may make a similar mistake with both customer classification and week 53 policy change. But who listens to me? (I know my son doesn’t) Perry
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pwrshift TUG MemberPosts: 2827 From: Toronto Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 04-15-2005 09:28
For some time Marriott has been up against the cash savings buying private resale has for potential owners who have rescinded as soon as they found TUG and posted when they had second thoughts (don't we all?). The points is a big benefit to me and that's why I purchased 5 of my 6 weeks direct...but as MF's go sky high the points start to cost too much. However, right now we're packing our bags for a 2 week trip to Italy on Marriott points! Now they've instituted a 'buy back program' that is apparently only for those who purchased direct, and a ROFR program to gobble up resales priced too low and attempt to protect their direct prices - in most cases their buy-back prices are almost up to the direct prices I paid, a real benefit IMO. And now there's speculation that their 'best customers' are those who purchased multiple units directly (no - I still don't have my letter). There may be more advantages to buying direct, but the key here is that Marriott does know their business and is in business to make money for their shareholders...and in most cases their resorts and people are the greatest. Brian ------------------ Those who dream most, do most. IP: Logged |