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Fern Modena

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posted 04-05-2005 12:49     Click Here to See the Profile for Fern Modena   Click Here to Email Fern Modena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Its been over a year since I first heard this was in the works. What happened? Is it ever going to happen?

TUG's software is so behind the times that it isn't funny. Its very cumbersome and un-"user friendly." I know at one point part of the problem was importing the old message database and "count" number for everybody's posts. At this point, who cares? We started over before with the count.

We need a new board. If there's no volunteer available to work on it, then Bill should pay someone to do it. It can't be that expensive, to customize an off the shelf board.

I'm no longer a volunteer, or in any way responsible for the running of TUG. I'm simply a member who's sad with the lack of importance placed on the new board project.

That's another way of saying, its "JMHO."

Fern

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dlsalva

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posted 04-05-2005 20:41     Click Here to See the Profile for dlsalva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I agree. It makes no sense to me and I will leave it at that.

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liubruin

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posted 04-05-2005 21:13     Click Here to See the Profile for liubruin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I wondered about this, too, as it is become more of a pain to visit TUG now than ever since I've grown accustomed to the features of other BBSs that allow PM's, email notifications of replies to subscribed threads, etc. And it is so frustrating when I try to search for threads that I know are merely months old and find they no longer exist because they had to be purged for space issues. That never happens on the other BBSs that I frequent. I'm coming here less frequently as a result. [I would visit tstips.com more often for my timeshare fix just because it has a more user-friendly BBS but I don't because I don't find enough activity there to keep me interested in visiting more than once in awhile.] I don't care if I have to start over at count 0 or if we have to start from scratch with no saved threads.

Now I know I'm not doing the work on this and I don't have the skills to help. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. I just wanted to share my thoughts.

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Judy321

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posted 04-05-2005 21:49     Click Here to See the Profile for Judy321   Click Here to Email Judy321     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I just want to say that I have been extremely happy with Vbulletin. Several forums that I am on use it, and it is excellant! If we move to a more modern forum package, Vbulletin would get my vote.

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Marina_K

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posted 04-06-2005 06:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Marina_K   Click Here to Email Marina_K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Put TUG's website in the target

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The Conch Man

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posted 04-06-2005 13:07     Click Here to See the Profile for The Conch Man   Click Here to Email The Conch Man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I don't see any difference between what I said a couple of weeks ago on the same subject matter or what I tried to established for my reasons against Bill Rogers & what Fern just posted but yet I get the pounding! You people totally amaze me & yet Fern was a former "administrator". Thanks again y'all, you suck-up's! Makes no difference what I say here in this message forum, y'all just luv to jump in my case, thanks again! No offense against you Fern & I trully mean that.

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[This message has been edited by The Conch Man (edited 04-10-2005).]

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Marina_K

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posted 04-06-2005 13:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Marina_K   Click Here to Email Marina_K     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by The Conch Man:
you suck-up's!

It's no wonder that the TUG BBS needs numerous Administrators & Moderators when compared to the other BBS I hang out at which has 38,000+ members & just one owner/Administrator/moderator.

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Fern Modena

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posted 04-06-2005 13:39     Click Here to See the Profile for Fern Modena   Click Here to Email Fern Modena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Gee, Trev. I thought this thread was about the new board. Was I mistaken? I didn't mean it to be all about you, me, or anybody else.

You may say that you mean no offense to me in your post, but it surely did feel offensive to me. I quit TUG in large part because I felt I had a target on me, and here you are, pinning it right back on me.

Fern

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Patri

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posted 04-06-2005 14:16     Click Here to See the Profile for Patri   Click Here to Email Patri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Compared to the new Yahoo message board, this one is a prince. I thought they should model TUG. Yahoo has gotten tons of complaints on the new look. I find TUG very easy to use and don't expect it to be more than it is. Guess I don't frequent enough MBs to compare it to.

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Judy321

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posted 04-06-2005 14:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Judy321   Click Here to Email Judy321     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by The Conch Man:
[b]I don't see any difference between what I said a couple of weeks ago on the same subject matter or what I tried to established for my reasons against Bill Rogers & what Fern just posted but yet I get the pounding!
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I don't think Fern gave any complaints about TUG or Bill Rogers. She just said that she'd prefer different BBS software.

As for how many moderators a group needs, I help run a 13,000 member Yahoo Group and we have 20 or so mods. Having multiple moderators isn't unusual.

Yahoo Groups isn't really comparable with TUG because it's a mailing list package, not a BBS/Forum package. For forums, I still say Vbulletin is the way to go.

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ricoba

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posted 04-06-2005 14:48     Click Here to See the Profile for ricoba   Click Here to Email ricoba     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by The Conch Man:
[b]I don't see any difference between what I said a couple of weeks ago on the same subject matter or what I tried to established for my reasons against Bill Rogers & what Fern just posted but yet I get the pounding! You people totally amaze me & yet Fern was a former "administrator". Thanks again y'all, you suck-up's! Makes no difference what I say here in this message forum, y'all just luv to jump in my case, thanks again! No offense against you Fern & I trully mean that.

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OUCH!

I seldom come to this section so was surprised by this post.

But I agree that it is time to update the bbs. Though I find it useful enough for my needs, I am sure there is more up to date programs/software out there.

Rick

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The Conch Man

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posted 04-06-2005 15:12     Click Here to See the Profile for The Conch Man   Click Here to Email The Conch Man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Fern Modena:
Gee, Trev. I thought this thread was about the new board. Was I mistaken? I didn't mean it to be all about you, me, or anybody else.

You may say that you mean no offense to me in your post, but it surely did feel offensive to me. I quit TUG in large part because I felt I had a target on me, and here you are, pinning it right back on me.

Fern


Again Fern, I mean no harm to you what so ever & yet you come back with the reply above. I was only using your words for which you stated for this "BBS" which is what I tried to explain in the same subject matter a few weeks ago for which I was "slammed" again! Then you posted this message & my intent was only to imply what I said in this subject matter. I will state what I said before, I meant no offensive harm to you again, but you seemed to take it a different way as others do here & if that is the way you want to take it, then so be it. I'm so sorry you took it that way, as for the "others" & they know who they are, I can care less for their in-ability to read what I post! Y'all continue to "slammed" me as usual regardless what ya did before & continually do so on a continued basis!
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Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[This message has been edited by The Conch Man (edited 04-10-2005).]

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Makai Guy
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posted 04-06-2005 16:08     Click Here to See the Profile for Makai Guy   Click Here to Email Makai Guy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Believe me, users cannot be any more tired of this old software than the people that have to keep it patched together. It falls on the Admins to manually make the change whenever somebody wants to update their email address, for instance. And we get scads of messages we have to deal with when people have questions or problems. (Although lots of this could be avoided if people would think of looking in the BBS Help file first.)

I've been working on trying to learn how to get our user base transferred to the new board for some months now. In all honesty, this is so frustrating that I only have tackled occasionally. But if this doesn't come together soon, we may just have to close the old board down and require all users to register anew on the replacement board.

And by the way, the new board will use vBulletin software. Bill took out a license at my request many months ago.

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snelson

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posted 04-06-2005 16:17     Click Here to See the Profile for snelson   Click Here to Email snelson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Makai Guy:
… But if this doesn't come together soon, we may just have to close the old board down and require all users to register anew on the replacement board. …

Doug -

Don't waste any more time trying to port things. It's no big deal if everyone has register anew. We did it in the transition to this BBS. We'll all survive if we have to do it again.

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Fern Modena

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posted 04-06-2005 16:23     Click Here to See the Profile for Fern Modena   Click Here to Email Fern Modena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Doug,
Since it can be done more expediently, we should just start all over. As Steve said, its no big thing. Many of us would welcome the features of a modern BBS System, as I'm sure the volunteers and administrators would.

Fern

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SydneyTugger

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posted 04-06-2005 16:38     Click Here to See the Profile for SydneyTugger   Click Here to Email SydneyTugger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Yes please! Just start all over. We did it back in 2000. It's no biggie.
Maybe for the really important info, can they just leave the pages as is and have a link to the old pages?

Good luck.

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dbmMayer

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From: Northern CA Owner: Westin Ka'anapali & Sheraton Desert Oasis
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posted 04-06-2005 18:27     Click Here to See the Profile for dbmMayer   Click Here to Email dbmMayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by The Conch Man:
[b]I don't see any difference between what I said a couple of weeks ago on the same subject matter or what I tried to established for my reasons against Bill Rogers & what Fern just posted but yet I get the pounding! You people totally amaze me & yet Fern was a former "administrator". Thanks again y'all, you suck-up's! Makes no difference what I say here in this message forum, y'all just luv to jump in my case, thanks again! No offense against you Fern & I trully mean that.

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Maybe, just maybe, it's the way you say it! It has been my experience, that most people don't respond positively to name calling!!!

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bigfrank

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posted 04-06-2005 20:23     Click Here to See the Profile for bigfrank   Click Here to Email bigfrank     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
I think Trevor has explained himself alittle better in a thread on tips. You can view it here. I understand what he is saying. From what I read he was pissed that he wrote almost the same thing that Fern wrote a few weeks back and got slammed by everyone for doing so. Now a few weeks later it seams that it is ok to post what Fern wrote which is what Trevor wrote a few weeks ago. Trevor Am I correct in my statment.


Doug Keep the site the way it is. It makes Tips look better that way
Only kidding.

If you start fresh will you lose the reviews?



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Fern Modena

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posted 04-06-2005 22:20     Click Here to See the Profile for Fern Modena   Click Here to Email Fern Modena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
:::sigh::: Can we just get back on topic???

Fern

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SydneyTugger

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posted 04-06-2005 23:18     Click Here to See the Profile for SydneyTugger   Click Here to Email SydneyTugger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Marina_K:
It's no wonder that the TUG BBS needs numerous Administrators & Moderators when compared to the other BBS I hang out at which has 38,000+ members & just one owner/Administrator/moderator.


Guess more people get worked up about timeshare than wool.

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The Conch Man

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posted 04-07-2005 05:46     Click Here to See the Profile for The Conch Man   Click Here to Email The Conch Man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bigfrank:

I think Trevor has explained himself a little better in a thread on tips. I understand what he is saying. From what I read he was pissed that he wrote almost the same thing that Fern wrote a few weeks back and got slammed by everyone for doing so. Now a few weeks later it seams that it is ok to post what Fern wrote which is what Trevor wrote a few weeks ago. Trevor Am I correct in my statement.


Yes, you are correct Big Frank & I thank you for your reply, just to add to this thread, I wasn't trying to start-up another controversy. I was merely makin a statement bout how I was labeled as a "trouble-maker" but yet some of the people on this message board can do the same thing & be praised for it. I guess you have to be in a "Click" here to be recognized. I even take it one step further in my statement(s) to "not make someone" stand-out or recognized them I mean no harm but yet I get "slammed" for it again.

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Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[This message has been edited by The Conch Man (edited 04-10-2005).]

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REcoaches

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posted 04-07-2005 06:47     Click Here to See the Profile for REcoaches   Click Here to Email REcoaches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by The Conch Man:
Yes, you are correct Big Frank & I thank you for your reply, just to add to this thread, I wasn't trying to start-up another controversy. I was merely makin a statement bout how I was labeled as a [b]"trouble-maker" but yet some of the people on this message board can do the same thing & be praised for it. I guess you have to be in a "Click" here to be recognized. I even take it one step further in my statement(s) to "not make someone" stand-out or recognized them I mean no harm but yet I get "slammed" for it again.[/i]

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Conch Man,

As I see it the big difference is:
Fern is a respected, long time, MATURE contributor to the t/s industry let alone this BBS.

Conch Man... as stated earlier... it's all in your presentation. JMHO!

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JeffV

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posted 04-07-2005 08:49     Click Here to See the Profile for JeffV   Click Here to Email JeffV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
By the way, it is "clique" not "click". Click is what you do with your computer mouse.

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calihockey33

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posted 04-07-2005 09:28     Click Here to See the Profile for calihockey33   Click Here to Email calihockey33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
Can't we just lock everything like what was done with "Ask II"
It can all be saved as archives .. including the reviews?

If everyone wants a new timeshare website, why not just move on over to www.tstips.com , its free and easy to use.

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Blues

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posted 04-07-2005 10:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Blues   Click Here to Email Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote Post A Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Makai Guy:
I've been working on trying to learn how to get our user base transferred to the new board for some months now. In all honesty, this is so frustrating that I only have tackled occasionally.

Doug, I'm a software consultant who's "between" contracts right now. I mostly do real-time, embedded systems, and instrumentation. Don't have a lot of experience in web development, but I suspect your problems have more to do with simple data transformations. Anyway, if you think I can be of some help, shoot me an email, and I'll see what I can do.

Bob "Blues" Herlien

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