posted 10-26-2004 18:25            

1) How easy is it to trade from one Hilton location to another Hilton location if the point requirement is the same for both? (eg. trading 5000 pts from Seaworld to stay at the Hilton Hawaian Village during a 5000 pt. time period? Do owners at the home location get priority? How important is home field advantage?

2) Do many RCI participating locations allow a trade in for a two day weekend? Are there nice weekend locations to stay within driving distance to NYC?

3) Are there any advantages at all in buying direct instead of the secondary market?

posted 10-26-2004 20:20               

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Originally posted by pointhound:
Can anyone with experience trading within the Hilton system answer some questions? I am interested in buying into the HGVC system and would be interested to use the points to stay at various places within the Hilton system and weekends through RCI.

1) How easy is it to trade from one Hilton location to another Hilton location if the point requirement is the same for both? (eg. trading 5000 pts from Seaworld to stay at the Hilton Hawaian Village during a 5000 pt. time period? Do owners at the home location get priority? How important is home field advantage?

2) Do many RCI participating locations allow a trade in for a two day weekend? Are there nice weekend locations to stay within driving distance to NYC?

3) Are there any advantages at all in buying direct instead of the secondary market?

Thanks.

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1.We've had no problems exchanging so far within or outside the system.

2.We have reserved a 4 night stay using RCI for Branson MO. They only seem to have one resort in Branson that does this. I'm not sure what the selection of resorts that offer nightly stays would be.

3. I can think of no advantage to buying directly from Hilton unless you would just want to use their financing to help pay for your purchase. At 18% interest, I'm not sure why you would want to do that.

posted 10-27-2004 21:28               

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Originally posted by pointhound:
Who is Seth? How do I reach him? Thanks for the info.

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Seth Nock is a timeshare reseller/real estate broker who is quite knowledgeable about the Hilton system. He usually posts on the Hotel board...but here is a link to his web site:
http://www.sellingtimeshares.net/

posted 03-22-2005 06:21               

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Originally posted by pointhound:
Can anyone with experience trading within the Hilton system answer some questions? I am interested in buying into the HGVC system and would be interested to use the points to stay at various places within the Hilton system and weekends through RCI.

1) How easy is it to trade from one Hilton location to another Hilton location if the point requirement is the same for both? (eg. trading 5000 pts from Seaworld to stay at the Hilton Hawaian Village during a 5000 pt. time period? Do owners at the home location get priority? How important is home field advantage?

2) Do many RCI participating locations allow a trade in for a two day weekend? Are there nice weekend locations to stay within driving distance to NYC?

3) Are there any advantages at all in buying direct instead of the secondary market?

Thanks.

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HGVC made RCI exchange very difficult. You cannot get RCI membership, bonus weeks, and even a chance to check what is available in the RCI system for exchange. Everytime you have to call HGVC system and depend on their mercy. Some people claim that they had great experience in reserving RCI through HGVC. Many HGVC memebers have very negative experience. I personally believe that HGVC does not liek members to exchange; it appears to me that HGVC prefers that you use it at HGVC or lose it. If one wants to use HGVC year after year, it is a good system. If you are interested in RCI exchange, please please buy a RCI GC resort cheap that allow RCI membership and exchange on your own and simply stay away from HGVC. A good compromise would be to buy an affilate resort which may allow RCI and/or II membership.

posted 03-22-2005 10:41               

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By JohnH123
7000 points at one resort sells for different than 7000 at a different one. 7000 Hawaiian points go for double 7000 in Vegas- why is that?

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IMHO, buy the cheapest HGVC points you can find and don't worry about where they are deeded.

PS Just looked at Seth's web site and HGVC at Hilton Hawaiian Village goes for 3 times Las Vegas
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posted 03-26-2005 03:53               

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Originally posted by calihockey33:
In my opinion, I wouldn't pay attention to anything Essie "eipheltower" say about HGVC. She has no idea how to maximize her points. How to use HGVC/RCI or how to use the Hhonors points conversion. A lot of people don't know how to use HGVC to its full extent, but most people are open to learning the system. Essie seems to fight it.
$10K used to be a good price for 7000 points. Hilton has started pushing the resale prices higher
You'll get lucky if you pay anything less than $12K.

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This fellow Callihockey has nothing to say other than acting as an agent of Hilton. Simply spreading false information and propaganda. It does not matter what Hilton pushes. It is not a very good timeshare compared to Marriott and Sheraton. One can get a Marriott Grande Vista 2BR L/O platinum for less than $10,000. There is in fact one in EBAY. You can get other Marriotts, like Cypress Harbor, cheaper. You can get a Sheraton e.g. Desert Oasis 2 BR that gives two 1BR wks for about $6500. There are two in TUG ad section. Anyone interested in HGVC, please check my info in EBAY and TUG. Therefore, there is really nothing Hilton offers that is anything better than these timeshares, not to mention Worldmark etc.

I believe $10,000 is actually the maximum price. Compared to Marriott and Sheraton, the price of a 7000 points should be 7 to 9K. Beside Hilton name there is really nothing in it. Two HGVC Orlando are no better than Marriott Grande Vista. There are far fewer HGVC than Marriotts and Sheraton resorts. That is too only in Florida, Vegas and Scotland. You will be absolutely dependent on RCI exchanges and HGVC will make it difficult to get an exchange. So, why someone will pay more for HGVC TS. I am not in buying and sellitg Timeshares, I will not sale HGVC 7000, but I certainly will not buy again even for 9K.

Take it from a member, it is not worth it. There are few Hilton agents in TUG-regular, who will try to convince you otherwise: "Hilton is so great"; "I am so happy" etc. etc. Which is total nonsense. If HGVC pays me a salary to sing their praise in TUG, I will do it too gladly. I do not sing praises for any timeshare, because no one is paying me yet.

posted 03-26-2005 04:30               

http://www.myfloridacounty.com/services/officialrecords_intro.shtml

Here is one unit exercised. 1/24/2005
You can check Orange county public records link that I attached. There are many others buybacks.

posted 03-26-2005 10:24               

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Originally posted by eipheltower:
It does not matter what Hilton pushes. It is not a very good timeshare compared to Marriott and Sheraton. One can get a Marriott Grande Vista 2BR L/O platinum for less than $10,000. There is in fact one in EBAY. You can get other Marriotts, like Cypress Harbor, cheaper. You can get a Sheraton e.g. Desert Oasis 2 BR that gives two 1BR wks for about $6500. Therefore, there is really nothing Hilton offers that is anything better than these timeshares, not to mention Worldmark etc.

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I agree with some of what you say..
Marriott is a great timeshare, in fact I am closing on a Marriott Summit Watch.
Desert Oasis is also a great timeshare, I stayed there last spring break. The kids loved it. Someday I wouldn't mind owning there. Except the only week I would be able to travel would be spring break. I can imagine lots of others would by requesting that week. Also buying Desert Oasis resale, you will not be in the Starwood system. So you really can't compare Sheraton Desert Oasis to Hilton or Marriott.

You say HGVC has no benefit over Marriott? What about short stays? 3 nights in Club season, 2 nights in Open season. What about being able to pay cash for open season stays? I can choose different unit sizes. I can stay in a studio for 5 weekends in Vegas. I could stay 12 straight days. I can borrow from next year. I also have access to RCI points. You get nothing like that with Marriott. Marriott is a "weeks" system. It's nothing like HGVC.
You can convert to HHonors points with Hilton resale. You can't do that with Marriott resale.
Worldmark is much closer. I just don't think Worldmard quality compares. I also don't like the Worldmark location in Vegas.

So HGVC pays me a salary to tell everyone to buy resale? That makes a lot of sense

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posted 03-26-2005 11:16               

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Originally posted by calihockey33:
I agree with some of what you say..
Marriott is a great timeshare, in fact I am closing on a Marriott Summit Watch.

So HGVC pays me a salary to tell everyone to buy resale? That makes a lot of sense

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Dave, why is a beach guy like you buying a mountain resort?

Once you answer this...get out there and get on the phone and start selling those HGVC resales....you haven't met your quota yet this month!

posted 03-26-2005 15:18               

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Originally posted by ricoba:
Dave, why is a beach guy like you buying a mountain resort?
Rick

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So I can stay at Marriot Newport and Hawaii

I do like skiing once in a while..

posted 03-26-2005 15:20               

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Originally posted by JLB:
FWIW, if Dave (Cailhockey) said something, I would take it to the bank.

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Thanks Jim, I appreciate that.
I'll make sure Hilton gets a check out to you right away

posted 03-26-2005 15:33            

Having read the HGVC boards for sometime and owning HGVC I would have to agree with you 100%. I think there are a couple of people in here who must work for another timeshare company and love bashing HGVC. Why else would they do it because my family's expereince with HGVC is that they are awesome and incrdibly flexible!

posted 03-26-2005 16:28               

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Originally posted by calihockey33:
I agree with some of what you say..
Marriott is a great timeshare, in fact I am closing on a Marriott Summit Watch.
Desert Oasis is also a great timeshare, I stayed there last spring break. The kids loved it. Someday I wouldn't mind owning there. Except the only week I would be able to travel would be spring break. I can imagine lots of others would by requesting that week. Also buying Desert Oasis resale, you will not be in the Starwood system. So you really can't compare Sheraton Desert Oasis to Hilton or Marriott.

You say HGVC has no benefit over Marriott? What about short stays? 3 nights in Club season, 2 nights in Open season. What about being able to pay cash for open season stays? I can choose different unit sizes. I can stay in a studio for 5 weekends in Vegas. I could stay 12 straight days. I can borrow from next year. I also have access to RCI points. You get nothing like that with Marriott. Marriott is a "weeks" system. It's nothing like HGVC.
You can convert to HHonors points with Hilton resale. You can't do that with Marriott resale.
Worldmark is much closer. I just don't think Worldmard quality compares. I also don't like the Worldmark location in Vegas.

So HGVC pays me a salary to tell everyone to buy resale? That makes a lot of sense

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When you buy timeshare, you buy it for vacation. It has to be at least a week long if not more (I like to go for two weeks), In addition, after paying 9 to 12K and $700 MF, it does not make sense to trade a two BR suite for a hotel room, regardless of the list price of teh hotel room. That is exactly what you get when you convert your HGVC points to HHONORS points. Therefore, conversion to HHONORS points and two/three nights open season stays are not worthwhile for vacation resorts.

With Marriott, Sheraton, Worldmark around with larger contingent of resorts from US to EU and Asia, you cannot justify resale price of a 2 BR platinum greater than about 9K. You can get other name brand resort cheaper.

I am not a Hilton basher. RCI or II exchanges revolutionized Timeshare industry. That is at least the first thing timeshare sales people will present to customers. HGVC did screw up this part of timesharing. I am absolutely unhappy. I have to spend 4800 points to get a 2BR RCI exchange plus RCI charges. I cannot reserve a 2 BR silver and exchange with RCI. Perhaps many members (happy ones) go to their home resort every year and it is OK. But when kids grow up, you can't go to Orlando every year, too young to take them to Vegas, and it is too cold to go to Scotland. Exchange is the only way.

TUG board is for advise to particularly Newbies and someone new to a particular TS. It is important to present both sides.