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Sam Armstrong TUG Member Posts: 1102 From: Lake Monticello, VA, USA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-04-2005 17:09 Hello All, Has anyone heard any new information about future T/S development by Hilton? Kathleen IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 768 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-04-2005 19:21 The last discussion here was about a new tower at HHV. Have you heard anything? IP: Logged
sb1070 TUG Member Posts: 63 From: Harrisburg, PA HGVC Seaworld Sunterra Powhatan Plantation Registered: Aug 2004	posted 03-04-2005 19:28 It would be nice if they had properties in other places. HGVC lacks vision. RCI accounts would be nice too. Access to Last Call and bonus weeks. I find it interesting how Hilton reps will say there's nothing available lets say in a RCI nightly resort and then I access RCI.com from another property I own and there's a bunch of stuff available. Hilton reps lie and I haven't figured out why, or their motive for it. IP: Logged
Sam Armstrong TUG Member Posts: 1102 From: Lake Monticello, VA, USA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-04-2005 19:50 No, I haven't heard anything. I was hoping that they would start venturing out to other locales. I've had good results with our one Hilton. I've had positive experiences with Hilton counselors on the phone. I've only done weekly exchanges. So I didn't know about the difficulty of booking the RCI nightly stuff. We've been HHonors members for years. The nightly or in the city stuff we use a Hilton family hotel property. Kathleen IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 768 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-04-2005 20:01 quote: Originally posted by sb1070: It would be nice if they had properties in other places. HGVC lacks vision. Well well we actually agree on something! Unfortunately for us HGVC has chosen at this point to focus on Orlando, Las Vegas & Hawaii. There was a rumor awhile back that HGVC & Club Intrawest were possibly going to merge. That would have been nice because CI has nice properties in California/Florida & Vancouver/Whistler. But alas it only appears to have been a rumor. IP: Logged
iiderman TUG Member Posts: 418 From: Bethesda, MD HGVC Seaworld Orlando, HGVC Valdoro Mountain Lodge Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-05-2005 05:33 I too would like to see new destinations added to Hilton's portfolio.. I do, however, understand why they do what they do.. Hilton came into the Timeshare business very late in the game. They are trying to build a solid business and so remain conservative. They only build if they know they can sell and also they try to minimize overhead costs by staying and building in the same locations. It is not by chance, that they have picked Orlando, Vegas and Hawaii to keep building. These three are the top US vacation destinations. I think that in the not so distant future we will either see new alliances formed or new destinations developed. It's simply a matter of time.. ------------------ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the places and moments that take our breath away." Anonymous IP: Logged
short TUG Member Posts: 243 From: Southern CA, USA Registered: Dec 2001	posted 03-05-2005 07:30 While I agree Hilton continues to have a limited selection of timeshare locations but they do offer a large selection of Hotel opportunities all over the world. I cannot think of any other timeshare system that you can exchange your timeshare for nights at the Homewood Suites across from Mall of America or 1 night at the airport Hilton at LAX or 5 nights a the Hilton NY. I am not commenting on value here. Sometimes the value of such an exchange is good, sometimes it is poor. Short IP: Logged
pedro47 TUG Member Posts: 554 From: East Coast VA Registered: Jan 2001	posted 03-05-2005 08:40 Hilton are building new hotels in Va Beach, VA and the Outer Banks(OBX),North Carolina. Both are very high demand areas from April until late November. [This message has been edited by pedro47 (edited 03-05-2005).] IP: Logged
djp TUG Member Posts: 50 From: Registered: Aug 2004	posted 03-05-2005 10:52 [QUOTE]Originally posted by short: I cannot think of any other timeshare system that you can exchange your timeshare for nights at the Homewood Suites across from Mall of America or 1 night at the airport Hilton at LAX or 5 nights a the Hilton NY. Starwood has the same hotel benefit with Sheraton and Westin, and has a broader selection of TS locales-orlando, hawaii, vail, st. john, bahamas, myrtle beacch, scottsdale, palm springs.....with mexico soon to come and europe and vegas also rumored. I think Marriott has a similar benefit....plus many more locations of TS. [This message has been edited by djp (edited 03-05-2005).] IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 768 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-05-2005 11:24 Didn't Hilton develop the GVC portion because they bought the Grand Vacations Clubs? It seems that a logical way to grow is through ongoing alliances such as Fiesta American. As more stand alone hotel companies consider the timeshare business, there would seem to be in my mind some good worldwide and broader US partnerships that Hilton could develop. I agree that it will happen in time. IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 768 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-05-2005 11:27 quote: Originally posted by djp: [QUOTE] Starwood has the same hotel benefit with Sheraton and Westin, and has a broader selection of TS locales-orlando, hawaii, vail, st. john, bahamas, myrtle beacch, scottsdale, palm springs.....with mexico soon to come and europe and vegas also rumored. I think Marriott has a similar benefit....plus many more locations of TS. [This message has been edited by djp (edited 03-05-2005).] My understanding is that Starwood got in the game later than Hilton and has done an admirable job of getting more clubs up and running in a shorter time. Of course no body comes close to Marriott at this point. But from what I have read here the Hilton program is the simplest to use and understand and get exchanges in. IP: Logged
djp TUG Member Posts: 50 From: Registered: Aug 2004	posted 03-05-2005 11:53 [QUOTE]Originally posted by ricoba: But from what I have read here the Hilton program is the simplest to use and understand and get exchanges in. How does hilton do internal exchanges? IP: Logged
Bill4728 TUG Member Posts: 282 From: Sumner, WA Owner: Club Intrawest, Monarch Grand Vacation & Mountainside Lodge Registered: Apr 2004	posted 03-05-2005 13:53 Hilton owners can use their points to make reservations at any of the HGVC locations. Getting a location different from where you are deeded, is based on when you can make your reservation. I believe it is something like 12 months for 1 wk, home resort & home season + no fee 9 months for >3 days, home resort, different season + $49 fee 9 months for >3 days, any other resort any season + $49 fee 1 month for any resort any season any length of stay with option of paying for the TS and not using your points at all. I'm not a HGVC member, so I hope I have this info right. ------------------ Bill [This message has been edited by Bill4728 (edited 03-05-2005).] IP: Logged
sb1070 TUG Member Posts: 63 From: Harrisburg, PA HGVC Seaworld Sunterra Powhatan Plantation Registered: Aug 2004	posted 03-05-2005 16:14 GIVE ME A BREAK!! THE CONVERSION RATE FOR HGVC TO HHONORS IS HORRIBLE. HILT0N ISN'T DOING ANYONE A FAVOR BY OFFERING THIS OPTION. THEY MAKE OUT LIKE BANDITS WHEN YOU USE POINTS FOR HOTEL STAYS. IT NOT WORTH IT. IP: Logged
Sam Armstrong TUG Member Posts: 1102 From: Lake Monticello, VA, USA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-05-2005 17:52 The conversion rate is not good. We don't mix HHonors points and t/s stuff. For us it's either or. I would like to see more Hilton development in the Condotel(hotel and condo)model. Services and ammenities get shared. It would be nice if they would do an internal trades. That's my wish list. Kathleen IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 768 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-05-2005 17:59 quote: Originally posted by Sam Armstrong: I would like to see more Hilton development in the Condotel(hotel and condo)model. Services and ammenities get shared. It would be nice if they would do an internal trades. That's my wish list. Kathleen Explain the Condotel....I know there is a Hilton Suites in Santa Ana, but I don't know what it's all about or like....can you explain further...thanks, Rick IP: Logged
Sam Armstrong TUG Member Posts: 1102 From: Lake Monticello, VA, USA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-05-2005 19:00 Hi Rick, Condotel is just the old buzzword used when resorts developed a hotel and timeshare on the same site. The hotel rates offset a portion of the rising expenses of all of the common areas. In theory it was supposed to keep the maintenance rates down a bit. I offer no opinion as to the truth to that. It does make some sense to me to have the guarantee of the T/S fees and the flexibility of seasonal demand of the hotel. Kathleen IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 768 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-05-2005 20:41 Kathleen, thanks for the info. It seems like a logical concept to me. Wouldn't their Hawaii projects fit into this concept? IP: Logged
sethnock TUG Member Posts: 626 From: New York, NY Own: HGVC Las Vegas,Orlando & Flamingo, Hyatt, Marriott Desert Springs, Marriott Summit Watch, Manhattan Club Registered: Jun 2002	posted 03-05-2005 21:01 quote: Originally posted by sb1070: GIVE ME A BREAK!! THE CONVERSION RATE FOR HGVC TO HHONORS IS HORRIBLE. HILT0N ISN'T DOING ANYONE A FAVOR BY OFFERING THIS OPTION. THEY MAKE OUT LIKE BANDITS WHEN YOU USE POINTS FOR HOTEL STAYS. IT NOT WORTH IT. I beg to differ. I have converted many HGVC points to Hilton HHonors points. 7000 HGVC points = 161,000 points. I have booked GLONP awards (175,000 points for 6 nights in Sydney, Aukland, Rome, and Kona). The Grace Hotel in Sydney is about $300 per night, the Aukland Hilton is also about $300 per night, The Rome Hilton is about $800 per night and the Hilton Waikaloa (Kona) is about $270 per night. I was very happy with these reservations. I have also booked many opportunity level hotels 10,000 points per night (each about $100 per night). ------------------ Seth My Website IP: Logged
derb TUG Member Posts: 679 From: coral springs fla hgvc flamingo, jockey club,ore st george, 2 diks and marriott hh Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-06-2005 09:22 I agree with Seth and have had many of his experiences. As a HGVC member you get Silver status that allows you to take 6 days at their premium hotels for 175k. Thats like getting the Waldorf for about 170 bucks a nite. I will do the Rome Hilton next year at even greater savings. You do have to be selective and try for their points strecher and opportunity units. IP: Logged
Bill4728 TUG Member Posts: 282 From: Sumner, WA Owner: Club Intrawest, Monarch Grand Vacation & Mountainside Lodge Registered: Apr 2004	posted 03-06-2005 20:52 quote: I would like to see more Hilton development in the Condotel(hotel and condo)model. Services and ammenities get shared. I'd like to see this at the new Whistler location opening in June 2005. Most room are already suite-like. ------------------ Bill IP: Logged
Rusty TUG Member Posts: 176 From: Contra Costa, CA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-07-2005 00:06 I'm gonna join the side that says converting HGVC to HHonor points is a bad deal. I also believe HGVC should be a lot more aggresive in expanding. 5-10 new resorts a year IMHO. Northern California Napa Valley needs an upscale resort... That said, I love my HGVC and would buy again, in a heartbeat... IP: Logged
rfb813 TUG Member Posts: 208 From: Valrico, FL, USA Registered: Jul 2003	posted 03-07-2005 05:22 The Condotel model does not normally involve timeshare but full ownership units which are members of a hotel type management agreement. There are a number of ways in which the units receive their share of revenue, either a percentage of total rental pool or by a revolving rental process that attempts to insure that all owner's units are rentaed on a equal basis. The new Hilton Condotel at Whistler is a full ownership facility which was previously the Delta Hotel and is now being redeveloped and sold via Intrawest with hotel management franchised by Hilton. Interwest recently completed the new Four Seasons at Whistler in the same manner and has been sucessful in this type of product at various locations. Hilton has been very conservative in their timeshare development process concentrating on high demand mega locations such as Las Vegas, where they where the first of the big time hotel operators to enter this market, Orlando and Oahu. Their affiliates on Sanibel and the southwest Florida coast were origninally developed by their former joint venture partners, The Mariner Group, which developed timeshare in the area and also developed South Seas Plantation. Hilton continues to explore agreements with developers and other timeshare developers such as Americana Hotels in Mexico and Hilton International (a different company) in Scotland as well as private developers such as Valadoro in Breckenridge. With the Tuscany project in Orlando nearing completion and the Las Vegas Strip project and the two new Hawaii projects announced or well under way, Hilton will have to review their next developments. Maybe it will be more Hilton Club projects in Chicago and San Francisco which they have discussed. We shall see. In any case I too agree that they should look at other locations. I often wonder why they did not buy the Embassy Vacation Club properties when they bought the Promus Hotel Group. That would have gotten them Maui, Kauai, Tahoe, Scottsdale, Myrtle Beach and Orlando. ------------------ SBC II, Shell Island Beach Club, Marriott Mountainside, Marriott Grand Vista, Topsider I, Freeport Resort and Club, HGVC at Las Vegas Hilton, Vistana Resort IP: Logged
Jim and Cindy TUG Member Posts: 506 From: Anthem Arizona, USA,Hurricane House flex (HGVC) Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-07-2005 08:42 We are at the Las Vegas Hilton t/s right now. They mentioned Maui when trying to get us to go to the Owner's Update. We are not attending the update and don't know if maui is just a teaser to get you to attend. IP: Logged
floyddl TUG Member Posts: 128 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Nov 2004	posted 03-07-2005 09:06 I purchased in 1996 and have heard numerous locations tossed about that have never materialized. They were touting Hilton Head when I bought. It seems that they are not very committed to the timeshare business or their strategy is to be less aggressive. IP: Logged

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