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bentlew TUG Member Posts: 93 From: Olathe, KS, US : Own Vistana Cascades wk 19, Powhatan wk 25, HGCV Flamingo Platinum Registered: Jun 2001	posted 03-16-2005 12:01 Converting to Honors points is a feature that can be used or not used based upon each individuals situation. To emphatically state that it is so wrong that it should be illegal, is based upon your personal situation not mine. I have had a few years where I was not able to plan ahead for using my timeshare and the point conversion allowed an opportunity to not just spacebank and hope for an exchange later, but to have hotel options at no additional cost. This came in very handy for a quick trip to London, extended stay away from home while a parent was dying, and other getaways. Without this feature, I would have been out of pocket more money while still trying to get an exchange with a week such as Powhatan Plantation, which I used to own. I love TUG and the information that we have to share, I wish that people would show more tolerance for each other opinions. We each have different circumstances and different reasons for using different features available to us. ------------------ Rich Allen [This message has been edited by bentlew (edited 03-16-2005).] IP: Logged
Pronkster TUG Member Posts: 70 From: Registered: Jul 2004	posted 03-16-2005 12:02 You are absolutely right iiderman. Being fairly new to HGVC ownership I am trying to learn all I can here on TUG. You mentioned a few terms I am not familiar with and wondering if you could please explain and tell me the best way to go about understanding the whole system, not just using points as HGVC club points. What are: VIP awards for category 6 hotels? Point stretcher awards? GLNOP awards? Thanks for you help IP: Logged
bentlew TUG Member Posts: 93 From: Olathe, KS, US : Own Vistana Cascades wk 19, Powhatan wk 25, HGCV Flamingo Platinum Registered: Jun 2001	posted 03-16-2005 12:21 VIP Awards are allow you 6 nights stays for trips for 150k points to any non-category 6 hotel and 175k points for 6 nights at category 6 hotels (top of the line). A GLON and GLONP are two types of VIP awards. Point stretcher awards require 40% less hotel points, not applicable to VIP Awards. ------------------ Rich Allen [This message has been edited by bentlew (edited 03-16-2005).] IP: Logged
iiderman TUG Member Posts: 418 From: Bethesda, MD HGVC Seaworld Orlando, HGVC Valdoro Mountain Lodge Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-16-2005 13:18 quote: Originally posted by Pronkster: What are: VIP awards for category 6 hotels? Point stretcher awards? GLNOP awards? Thanks for you help Every HGVC owner is automatically enrolled in the Hhonors program at the Silver VIP level when they join. This means that you have the ability to take advantage of some exclusive reward opportunities offered at a special/more economical value. Examples of such rewards are GLON2 (Six free nights at any Hilton hotel except Category 6 for 150,000 hhonors points) and GLONP2 (Six free nights at Category 6 Hilton Family hotels worldwide for 175,000.) The Point Stretcher awards are available to all hhonors members regarless of tier level and are posted on the HHonors website by the participating hotels. More recently HGVC also has been offering the Gold VIP status to those members purchasing 14,000 points or more from the developer (you can search these boards for more info on that because it appears that others buying resale have also received the Gold VIP status) With the Gold VIP not only can you take advantage of the VIP reward stays as the Silver, but you get some valuable added benefits such as free breakfast and upgrades to Executive floors etc. All the details of the Hhonors program can be found at: http://hhonors.hilton.com/en/hhonors/index.jhtml There are many advantages of converting your points. 1. They do not expire 2. You can book your own rewards online and print out your own reward certificates online without any fees 3. You can add to your balance by earning additional points through credit cards etc(we use the hhonors platinum amex - no annual fee and they give 3 hhonors points for regular purchases and 5 hhonors points for hilton purchases) We have used these rewards for stays all over the world (with ease I might add). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to use the system and maximize the points.. everything is online. ------------------ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the places and moments that take our breath away." Anonymous IP: Logged
iiderman TUG Member Posts: 418 From: Bethesda, MD HGVC Seaworld Orlando, HGVC Valdoro Mountain Lodge Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-16-2005 15:17 quote: Originally posted by sb1070: iiderman if HGVC is as great as you like to make it out to be then even wasteful use like converting to HHonors wouldn't require time spent making sure your use was efficient. The truth is converting to honors is so wasteful it should be illegal. You need to come up with something better than a quote from the honors membership guide about VIP rewards. What's next, points for park passes? sb1070, I�d love to sit here and continue this debate over the dreadful HGVC but the truth is I have a flight to Zurich to catch tomorrow and need to wax and pack my skis. It�s my daughter�s Spring Break and we are taking her to Switzerland for two weeks. I know you�d really love to hear all the details so I�ll tell you. We have our first week booked at the Gold Crown rated Anfi Palace Murren (this is an RCI exchange we got through HGVC) followed by a week at the Gold Crown rated Hotel Helvetia Intergolf Montana (another RCI exchange masterfully secured for us by HGVC to coincide with the first week) Did I mention that we are spending a night at the Zurich Airport Hilton (with Hhonors points of course) on our last day? The train connections from Montana back to Zurich for our transatlantic flight didn�t work out too well so we decided to spend the night near the airport and where else but the Hilton of course (can't wait to sink my teeth into those warm croissants on the Exec. Floor breakfast buffet!). Yes, yes, I know Hilton really stinks.. you can�t get a decent exchange and hotel points are worthless.. What a scam, I feel so victimized! ------------------ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the places and moments that take our breath away." Anonymous IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 768 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-16-2005 16:51 quote: Originally posted by iiderman: sb1070, I�d love to sit here and continue this debate over the dreadful HGVC but the truth is I have a flight to Zurich to catch tomorrow and need to wax and pack my skis. It�s my daughter�s Spring Break and we are taking her to Switzerland for two weeks. I know you�d really love to hear all the details so I�ll tell you. We have our first week booked at the Gold Crown rated Anfi Palace Murren (this is an RCI exchange we got through HGVC) followed by a week at the Gold Crown rated Hotel Helvetia Intergolf Montana (another RCI exchange masterfully secured for us by HGVC to coincide with the first week) Did I mention that we are spending a night at the Zurich Airport Hilton (with Hhonors points of course) on our last day? The train connections from Montana back to Zurich for our transatlantic flight didn�t work out too well so we decided to spend the night near the airport and where else but the Hilton of course (can't wait to sink my teeth into those warm croissants on the Exec. Floor breakfast buffet!). Yes, yes, I know Hilton really stinks.. you can�t get a decent exchange and hotel points are worthless.. What a scam, I feel so victimized! Too Funny! Enjoy your illegal scam trip! Rick IP: Logged
sb1070 TUG Member Posts: 63 From: Harrisburg, PA HGVC Seaworld Sunterra Powhatan Plantation Registered: Aug 2004	posted 03-16-2005 17:15 I'll still be here when you get back IP: Logged
iiderman TUG Member Posts: 418 From: Bethesda, MD HGVC Seaworld Orlando, HGVC Valdoro Mountain Lodge Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-16-2005 17:47 quote: Originally posted by sb1070: I'll still be here when you get back whew...what a releif.. I'll be sure to take lots of pix ------------------ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the places and moments that take our breath away." Anonymous IP: Logged
liubruin TUG Member Posts: 1605 From: Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-16-2005 19:02 iiderman, Thanks for the laugh. And have a great time on your trip -- it sounds fabulous. I, too, have converted to HHonors points when I have had to take a trip at a location where timeshares were not available. Using the points wisely our cost of the converted points would be either roughly the same or better than our out-of-pocket cash cost would be if we had to pay for those hotel rooms. In those instances having the HHonors conversion ability is a great option. Why spend more money AND have HGVC points that I may not have time to use when I can just use the HGVC points for a trip that I need to take (and pay for) anyway? I don't understand why some of you have to make a blanket statement that the option conversion to HHonors points is a terrible thing just because that has been your limited experience -- for others it may be the best use of the year's already paid HGVC points under some circumstances. [This message has been edited by liubruin (edited 03-18-2005).] IP: Logged
sethnock TUG Member Posts: 626 From: New York, NY Own: HGVC Las Vegas,Orlando & Flamingo, Hyatt, Marriott Desert Springs, Marriott Summit Watch, Manhattan Club Registered: Jun 2002	posted 03-16-2005 23:13 quote: Originally posted by eipheltower: That is because you have a large inventory of unsold HGVC TS and you have to do something with those points taht you are accumulating. For others, conversion to HHONORS points is simply unwise and a waste of points. [/QUOTE] I own 24,500 points (3/7000 point units and 1/3500 point unit) in my personal account. These 4 units, I don't plan to sell. I save them in order to convert about half to HHonors and use at expensie Hilton hotels and the other half for RCI/HGVC reservations. ------------------ Seth My Website [This message has been edited by sethnock (edited 03-16-2005).] IP: Logged
Thanh TUG Member Posts: 241 From: Gaithersburg, Maryland Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-17-2005 05:23 [This message has been edited by Thanh (edited 03-17-2005).] IP: Logged
Dave32 Non Member Posts: 9 From: Miami, Florida Registered: Sep 2004	posted 03-17-2005 06:06 quote: Originally posted by sb1070: The truth is converting to honors is so wasteful it should be illegal. You need to come up with something better than a quote from the honors membership guide about VIP rewards. What's next, points for park passes?[/b] Actually...........you CAN use honors points for park passes. The information is in the honors rewards handbook p.26, 27 & 28. Last year I used honors points for the Disney park hopper pass, AND.....here is the real scam..........the honors points I used were the free ones I earned from my business stays at hilton hotels! I did not even have to touch my timeshare points, which I later used for a stay at Hawaii in a 2BD villa (that would typically cost $300 to $400 per night....what a scam!) I'm glad I read my VCR manuals. [This message has been edited by Dave32 (edited 03-17-2005).] IP: Logged
sb1070 TUG Member Posts: 63 From: Harrisburg, PA HGVC Seaworld Sunterra Powhatan Plantation Registered: Aug 2004	posted 03-17-2005 06:30 When a 1 night stay in a cat 5 hotel costs almost 1600 points and a 5 night stay in a 2bd villa costs about 2400 points, and you've read my original post, then YES what a scam! IP: Logged
Dave32 Non Member Posts: 9 From: Miami, Florida Registered: Sep 2004	posted 03-17-2005 07:06 sb1070, you know.......I'd love to stay here infront of the pc and chat with reasonable people such as yourself, but I have other important things to attend to such as planning my vacations. I'll add up all the free honors points I've earned and decide which of the 2,400 hotels I will be visiting this year, Ireland maybe? Costa Rica sounds fun, perhaps Brasil.... you know I have never been to Greece, maybe I should check-it out. Once I am done with that, I will start planning my vacations using my timeshae points. When I get back from my vacations I'll look up your postings and we'll chat then. [This message has been edited by Dave32 (edited 03-17-2005).] IP: Logged
eipheltower TUG Member Posts: 123 From: philadelphia Registered: Oct 2003	posted 03-17-2005 12:46 [This message has been edited by eipheltower (edited 03-17-2005).] IP: Logged
eipheltower TUG Member Posts: 123 From: philadelphia Registered: Oct 2003	posted 03-17-2005 12:49 Thank God!! We are not going to hear from iiderman for a while ranting and raving about their HGVC points etc. etc. etc. ------------------ Essie R. [This message has been edited by eipheltower (edited 03-17-2005).] IP: Logged
calihockey33 TUG Member Posts: 1897 From: So California, USA Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-17-2005 13:40 ------------------ Grand Pacific Resorts Owners Group Private Group for Grand Pacific Resorts Owners [This message has been edited by calihockey33 (edited 03-18-2005).] IP: Logged
belairpatrol TUG Member Posts: 189 From: los angeles, ca 90049 Registered: Jan 2001	posted 03-17-2005 22:35 converted to Hilton Honors enough points to stay 17 days at the Conrad London. going room rate $400 a nite plus we got 2 free full buffets ($25 each) for all 17 days. We got treated by the staff like royalty, that is way beyound normal for americans to stay at such high prices. My wife said this was really the vacation she won't forget. Yeah! HILTON.... ------------------ http://www.belairpatrol.com West Los Angeles IP: Logged
liubruin TUG Member Posts: 1605 From: Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-17-2005 23:20 [This message has been edited by liubruin (edited 03-18-2005).] IP: Logged
iiderman TUG Member Posts: 418 From: Bethesda, MD HGVC Seaworld Orlando, HGVC Valdoro Mountain Lodge Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-18-2005 05:22 quote: Originally posted by eipheltower: Thank God!! We are not going to hear from iiderman for a while ranting and raving about their HGVC points etc. etc. etc. Wrong again epheltower! I'm only a few key strokes away.. Switzerland happens to be a world leader in high-speed "broadband" access.. Now, for the record I am neither "ranting" nor "raving".. I am simply sharing my experiences (good AND bad) as a HGVC owner...It just happens that most are good. If you are truly interested in making the most of your ownership (I'm assuming that is why you joined TUG), then listen up! Stop the personal attacks everytime a poster has something good to say about Hilton or its programs, and start asking constructive questions. There are many well informed and experienced HGVC owners on these boards willing to share their wisdom. Open up your mind, you just might be surprised. ------------------ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the places and moments that take our breath away." Anonymous IP: Logged
calihockey33 TUG Member Posts: 1897 From: So California, USA Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-18-2005 06:57 ------------------ Grand Pacific Resorts Owners Group Private Group for Grand Pacific Resorts Owners [This message has been edited by calihockey33 (edited 03-18-2005).] IP: Logged
sb1070 TUG Member Posts: 63 From: Harrisburg, PA HGVC Seaworld Sunterra Powhatan Plantation Registered: Aug 2004	posted 03-18-2005 15:43 iiderman you're the one that needs to stop the attacks. You're advise is meaningless. Quoting the membership brochure and stating the obvious isn't helpful. Membership in RCI with access to extra weeks and last call reservations is a far better value then wasting points on hotel reservations limiting my stay to Orlando, Vegas and Hawaii. IP: Logged
Sam Armstrong TUG Member Posts: 1102 From: Lake Monticello, VA, USA Registered: Dec 2000	posted 03-18-2005 16:30 Hello All, Since this thread has taken to wandering from my original question, should I ask for it to be closed? I have no problem with the posts. However, anyone who might want to participate in the value of Hilton and points conversion might not know that these topics are being discussed. Kathleen IP: Logged
ricoba TUG Member Posts: 768 From: Rancho Dominguez, CA Registered: Jan 2003	posted 03-18-2005 16:53 I have not forgotten the original intent of the post. And I have not forgotten my promise to write a letter. I had another writing project this past week and I will try to get on it in the next few days. I will then either post here or open a new thread for those who are interested in adding their names to Hilton RE: development issues. I am sure a couple of the posters here probably won't want to join my Hilton luv in campaign! But hey, that's life! Rick [This message has been edited by ricoba (edited 03-18-2005).] IP: Logged
Revmmup unregistered	posted 03-18-2005 17:19 Does TUG have a policy of banning people who continually flame others on this board? I know Flyertalk does and some other prominent boards and they sure are a lot more useful then what goes on here sometimes. IP: Logged

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