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sherig TUG Member Posts: 43 From: Registered: May 2004	posted 01-06-2005 20:50 quote: Originally posted by gkauf9491: Hey - I tried to signup on the mescam site months ago and they would not give me the password for their protected area. Can someone vouch for me that I am not a mexican salesman and tell them to email me the password for thier site. I even link to them from my site! I will e-mail them and let them know. Its great to hear you from you!!!! PS Thanks for your post on my thread!! IP: Logged
gkauf9491 TUG Member Posts: 40 From: Menomonee Falls wi usa Registered: Apr 2004	posted 01-10-2005 14:31 Mescam is having trouble with thie site. But they did get hold of me. Thanks SGeorge Also - check out ebay - search on any or all of these words in anry order Mexican Timeshare Fraud Mayan Palace no need to search in the body - just the text. Hope many people can guess the url is www.mexicantimesharefraud.com. I plan on having a listing up there at least till summer. I beleive it is against ebay rules to put it in there. ------------------ Please Visit www.whereyoushouldgo.com or www.mexicantimesharefraud.com IP: Logged
gkaufmann Non Member Posts: 7 From: Wisconsin Registered: Apr 2002	posted 01-21-2005 16:10 Well, it appears that there will be a Mayan Palace built in Cabo - I have been contacted by two victems in the last two weeks from Cabo. One from the MP. ------------------ Own at Casa Maya - Cancun, and Morritt's Tortuga - Grand Cayman IP: Logged
gkaufmann Non Member Posts: 7 From: Wisconsin Registered: Apr 2002	posted 01-24-2005 07:25 Well, as some of you may know, I placed an ebook for sale on ebay titled - Mexican timeshare fraud e-book - a lovely Mayan palace? (you can search on any of those words). I sold three books in 2 weeks for a total of $9 - $3 paypal and evay expenses for a profit of $6 which means I can run the ad for about 10 weeks. It is a shame people are still being scammed - but I plan on running the ad until no one buys it or looks at it. The ebook is basically the content from www.mexicantimesharefraud.com. Feel free to pass around the website URL. Send me links to disreputable companies and a bit about your experience with them and I will putblish on my links pages. P.S. Just got notification this week of another 47,000 to add to my list of people I helped! ------------------ Own at Casa Maya - Cancun, and Morritt's Tortuga - Grand Cayman IP: Logged
muranojo TUG Member Posts: 1167 From: ID Registered: Jul 2002	posted 01-28-2005 21:32 quote: Originally posted by gkaufmann: P.S. Just got notification this week of another 47,000 to add to my list of people I helped! Gail, where did you get the 47,000? IP: Logged
monica TUG Member Posts: 864 From: Houston, TX PB Sunset Beach-Cabo; Mayan Palace (5); Omni-Cancun; Krystal-PVR; FF Points; Melia Playa Conchal-Costa Rica; Allegro-Cancun Registered: Dec 2000	posted 01-28-2005 22:10 quote: Originally posted by gkaufmann: P.S. Just got notification this week of another 47,000 to add to my list of people I helped! No way you've "helped" 47,000, Gail! IP: Logged
sherig TUG Member Posts: 43 From: Registered: May 2004	posted 01-28-2005 23:46 I think she is referring to someone who got $47,000 back. IP: Logged
mc93433 TUG Member Posts: 7 From: Grover Beach, CA 93433 Registered: Sep 2003	posted 01-29-2005 17:54 You've helped so many with the Mexico scams, I see you also own at Morritts Tortuga. So do I. Can you be of any assistance with understanding just what is going on there? Why no repairs have been done? Why special assessments with no cost breakdowns, rumors of tearing down Tortuga and rebuilding completely, more special assessments to come and no availability til at least 2006? Do you know anything about that? I can't seem to find out any straight answers, just lots of double talk. IP: Logged
DPAHL123 Non Member Posts: 6 From: Registered: Feb 2005	posted 02-01-2005 14:06 10,000 of that was probably mine that she was talking about. I was scammed in Cabo 1-7-05 and by taking her advise on her website along with you guys on TUG, I received my money back and cancelled my contract. Thanks everyone! IP: Logged
pseitz TUG Member Posts: 54 From: Salem,OR USA Registered: Feb 2001	posted 02-01-2005 18:38 After reading all this info about Mexican properties, how I wish I would have known this in 1998. Anything I can do now about being lied to about being able to cancel my contract in 5 days? We tried with Club Regina, but no luck at the time. ------------------ From Salem,OR--own 4 red floating wks--Cabo. Club Regina, 2 Hacienda del Mar, Villa del Palmar--various sizes. IP: Logged
muranojo TUG Member Posts: 1167 From: ID Registered: Jul 2002	posted 02-03-2005 23:53 Duplicate post. [This message has been edited by muranojo (edited 02-04-2005).] IP: Logged
muranojo TUG Member Posts: 1167 From: ID Registered: Jul 2002	posted 02-04-2005 00:20 O.K., now it's Club Regina from a '98 purchase! Enjoy your t/s &/or learn the ropes for renting/exchanging it. I doubt there's much you can do about a '98 agreement. CR is a nice property, so I'm hoping you can enjoy it (why else did you buy it?). [This message has been edited by muranojo (edited 02-04-2005).] IP: Logged
gkauf9491 TUG Member Posts: 40 From: Menomonee Falls wi usa Registered: Apr 2004	posted 02-06-2005 20:32 If you bought in 1998, yes just enjoy your vacations. If you want to make sure none of your friends every get scammed - tell them their rights if they ever go to Mexico - they have the right to cancel within 5 business days and all monies must be returned. When i mentioned 47,000 earlier in the post I forgot the $ sign, Shari was right. One 27,000 person and two 10,000. But two people I have spoken with from the new sales office in Cabo have very solid cases, but, are having problems with the new Cabo sales staff. Lets all wish them luck. ------------------ Please Visit www.whereyoushouldgo.com or www.mexicantimesharefraud.com IP: Logged
gkauf9491 TUG Member Posts: 40 From: Menomonee Falls wi usa Registered: Apr 2004	posted 02-06-2005 20:42 oh - about the Tortuga - you probably got some of your answers in the letter we got last week. Resort opens in September. Rebuilding has begun. I beleive the island has a lot more cleanup before I will visit again. We are planning sometime in 2006. I wouldn't mind going back in fall but my husband wants to wait. Caymans is my husband's favorite place to go, in fact our daughter bought a week down there too. A freind stoped there on a cruise a few weeks ago and said there was a lot of junk/trash still around on 7 mile beach side. I suppose getting rid of the damaged goods would be hard - and - they don't allow them to throw it in the ocean. I am not worried that they will go bankrupt. ------------------ Please Visit www.whereyoushouldgo.com or www.mexicantimesharefraud.com IP: Logged
gkauf9491 TUG Member Posts: 40 From: Menomonee Falls wi usa Registered: Apr 2004	posted 02-09-2005 13:29 I was happy to read the other post - that the Mayan Palace in Riviera Maya is having problems with their salesmen - they are all moving to the Avalon because the MP is trying to clean up their act. ------------------ Please Visit www.whereyoushouldgo.com or www.mexicantimesharefraud.com IP: Logged
reddiablosv TUG Member Posts: 274 From: Riverside, CA. USA Registered: Oct 2003	posted 02-09-2005 15:28 I think the MP is a wonderful value for the money! But, I paid $1500 for a 2 bedroom unit on ebay....Later, I upgraded my unit to the Grand Mayan at the full upgrade price. I still think it was a good value. I have been able to rent my units at twice the maintance fees without difficulty. I have exchanged back into the GM thru RCI or ICE on two occaisions at about one half the maintance costs, yet I do not begrudge my purchase. I have also been able to exchange into the Harborside Atlantis and Royal Mayan with bonus weeks from II. Does that mean we should never buy timeshares? The current system is full of inequities or opportunities depending on your prospective. Are you the knowledgeable tugger or are you the newbie? The choice is yours. Ben IP: Logged
REYCRUZ Non Member Posts: 1 From: KELLER,TX.USA Registered: Feb 2005	posted 02-16-2005 23:37 If it wasn't for the e-book at ebay from gkauf9491 I wouldn't have known what to do. I purchased it on Feb. 9th and I emailed my first letter to MP and Profeco on that same day. On Feb. 13th I received a call from Katie Kingsley from MP in Cancun. She said that all that she can do for me was cancel my contract with no more obligation but that she cannot refund my money invested in this scam. I told her of my future plans of emails and letters that I was going to start sending and she didn't sound to thrill about it. But she stood her ground and refuse to refund the money. I told her that unless she was calling to tell me that she was canceling the scam contract and refunding my money, to not call me at all. I'm sure she will call again in the future when I'll attach to the MP all the emails I'll be sending out. Thank you once again G. Kauffman. I'll keep you posted. IP: Logged
gkauf9491 TUG Member Posts: 40 From: Menomonee Falls wi usa Registered: Apr 2004	posted 03-01-2005 13:11 Reddiablosv - I agree the MP resort in Cancun is beautiful, and you must have exchanges through rci quite a while ago because currently they have addendums to their listings in Cancun and Vallarta that they do not allow RCI exchanges from Mayan Palace owners. (Of course you can always make an internal exchange within the MP.) ANd no, I am not a newbee, in fact I am very happy with my timeshare in Cancun and my other timeshare in Grand Cayman. That is why they were sucessful in selling me a MP unit. But - the sales staff at the Mayan Palace is as decietful as they come. It is really a shame because I have been to Mexico more than a dozen times, and since this event last April, I really have no desire to visit anyplace in Mexico. And I certainly would not want to spend my vacation with salespeople that can look you in the eye, multiple times (5 in my case - 2 different people), and tell you that your recollection of a canellation period is wrong and this "special" timeshare purchase does not allow you a cancellation period. Pure bull - and they knew it. P.S. Thanks for the Praise Reycruz- and keep me updated. ------------------ Please Visit www.whereyoushouldgo.com or www.mexicantimesharefraud.com IP: Logged
reddiablosv TUG Member Posts: 274 From: Riverside, CA. USA Registered: Oct 2003	posted 03-01-2005 22:16 quote: Originally posted by gkauf9491: Reddiablosv - I agree the MP resort in Cancun is beautiful, and you must have exchanges through rci quite a while ago because currently they have addendums to their listings in Cancun and Vallarta that they do not allow RCI exchanges from Mayan Palace owners. Hi, I find it interesting that you have had difficulty exchanging into the MP as a MP owner. My first exchange into the MP was last Feb.,2004. I reserved the unit thru ICE before I purchased resale on ebay, but actually checked in after my purchase. Later in september, I exchanged for a MP ACA unit thru RCI as a bithday gift to my sister. Finally, I have a confirmed exchange into the Grand Mayan ACA for Jan. 2006 using RCI points.When I made this last exchange, I had the VC specifically confirm that even though I am a GM owner, I could exchange into the GM thru RCI points. I could be wrong, but I believe that a GM owner can trade into the GM and MP. At least, I have not had a problem. I think the prohibition is for a SG or MP owner to trade up to a GM unit. I could be wrong. The reason I have been exchanging back into the MP and GM even though I am an owner, is that, I rented out my 2004 and 2005 weeks and still wanted to visit the resort. Ben IP: Logged
acdneh Non Member Posts: 2 From: Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-06-2005 03:44 Is there any possibility that you can add more names on agreement for the additional fee of $25.00 which was mentioned at one presentation we went to. The Mayan Sea Garden presentation staff don't like to hear you say no which is what we did in early Feb. I wasn't impressed with paying a maintenance fee for each week every year or on alternate years for two weeks of vacation. It's hard to beat some of those charter packages. Getting air only at the time you want to go can be achallenge too although Cancun is better than Puerto Vallarta for cheap flights from Vancouver BC. Additional names would help spread the burden of those maintenance fees and ensure some use is made of your time. If you dont want to go to Mayan Resort perhaps an exchange is an option. One visit to Mayan Resorts at Nuevo was enough for me. IP: Logged
acdneh Non Member Posts: 2 From: Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-06-2005 03:57 You could add additonal names on your contract for cost of $25.00 (membership account adjustment) to spread after papers are sent to California office. That would reduce burden. Did you purchase contract for annual use or bi-annual use every other year? Does anyone every post actual sale price for various types of units for various sizes. I heard of other embers making deals to purchase points from other members at Paradise Village when we were there recently. IP: Logged
DPAHL123 Non Member Posts: 6 From: Registered: Feb 2005	posted 03-10-2005 12:41 Has anyone that has had their contract cancelled actually received anything in writing that it has been cancelled? Mine was cancelled 2 months ago by phone and they said they would take care of cancelling RCI and the contract but I just found out that RCI was never cancelled. They did credit my account for the down payment but I`m worried that something will pop up in the future. They told me that I would get something in writing but guess what? They lied Should I be worried? IP: Logged
gkauf9491 TUG Member Posts: 40 From: Menomonee Falls wi usa Registered: Apr 2004	posted 03-10-2005 16:51 You should see my story earlier in this thread. Last year I had my Mayan Palace Riviera Maya cancelled because they told my I could not cancel - which was agains Mexican Law. I emailed them on Wednessday, posted complaints on every website I could find, started my own website, and Kathy Kingsley called me a few times on Saturday and finally talked to me early evening. After discussing how she looked me in the face and lied to me twice, and my saleman lying to me in the face three time telling me I could not cancell - she finally got angry, siad "You will have your refund within 10 days" and hung up on me. A week later I got the credit on the card and I neer heard from her again. Because I filed a formal complaint with Profeco, they were following up about 6 weeks later. Profeco said the timeshare said that they returned my money and I agreed. Profeco said my contract was cancelled and they would update their files and close my case. SO - they are the only "Proof" i have that it was cancelled. But to be truthful - I was not worried. What would the timeshare do. If they charged my card I would dispute it immediately. If they would report you to a credit card burea (yea sure) - you could just say they cancelled the contract and credited your account. Why else would they credit your account - it is not like you have vacationed there every year since. If you are still unsure - tell your credit card that your card broke and they will issue you a new one with a different expiration date. And if you contacted Profeco - follow up with them. COngratulations on your refund! ------------------ Please Visit www.whereyoushouldgo.com or www.mexicantimesharefraud.com IP: Logged
barhopping Non Member Posts: 2 From: Registered: Mar 2005	posted 03-10-2005 17:09 Interesting question from DPAHL123, I have a pretty much the same question/story also, here it is, all advice welcome: I just returned from a vacation in Mazatlan. On Sunday, Feb 27th 2005, my wife and I went to a timeshare presentation at the Costa de Oro in the Golden Zone of Mazatlan. We were presented with a timeshare offer with the hotel and weeks through RCI. Total was around $8,900.00 for 25 weeks at the hotel (can exchange through RCI), 10 bonus weeks at the hotel only and two bonus RCI weeks. After a long time, several extras added on and a few drinks, we finally agreed to it and signed the contract and I agreed to charge $3,310 to my Mastercard and make payments of $335 for 18 months at 0% (with maint fees, RCI fees, etc.) That night I had that feeling that the amount paid wasn't worth it (figures didn�t add up) and realizing more and more that we couldn't afford it so on Thur, Mar 3rd, I saw the person who originally sold us and asked about my option to cancel as we couldn't afford it. He asked me to wait one more day and to discuss with my wife and if I still wanted to cancel, he would be in first thing in the morning and would discuss with his manager that day to see what the 'terms' would be, I reluctantly agreed it this. On Friday, Mar 4th (5th business day) I again went in the morning looking for him to definitely cancel, he wasn't in the morning due to a school event with his child but would be in later in the day. He finally showed up around noon and said it wouldn't be a problem to cancel, he needed a written letter of cancellation. He said he spoke with his manager the day before and there would be some sort of penalty for cancellation that he wasn't sure exactly. He left to get paper and said that the manager had left for the day and she had to authorize it and to try back tomorrow (Sat, Mar 5th) at 8 in the morning and he would come in on his day off to help out. The next day, he was a couple of hours late but finally showed up. He talked to his manager and he called me into an empty office to tell me the news. I would not be getting back any of the deposit I paid but I could agree to a downgrade timeshare ($4,000 for 10 years of RCI, plus 5 weeks at hotel) or they would credit me with 6 weeks at the Costa De Oro. He apologized as he had only been there for 3 weeks. I insisted that this wasn't acceptable so I talked to the general manager. She said she had to present this to the owner of the hotel and one of three things would happen. I would either get all money back, get the downgraded timeshare (for additional $700) or be credited with six weeks at the hotel (1BD suite) with no other fees or taxes owed. I was able to write a letter of cancellation that day explaining my first choice was to receive all money back and if that wasn�t possible, then to accept the downgraded timeshare (I had to request two options). He received, signed and gave me a copy of this letter. He said I would hear something within 45 days. Now, my question is, since they both verbally 'said' that the original timeshare contract was cancelled and I would 'definitely' receive one of the three options, is there anything I can do to just get my money back or at the very least make sure the original terms of the contact won't apply and it was cancelled? I don�t know how they would enforce the downgraded timeshare option as I never signed another contract. I called Mastercard and they said I had 60 days to dispute this charge which I will. The people involved were relatively nice about it (unlike some of the horror stories I read) but I definitely want my account credited over the other options. It is sad as this was the only bad point on an otherwise nice vacation. Please advise what I can do next, should I wait awhile or start the process of contacting Profeco and other agencies? IP: Logged
iconnections TUG Member Posts: 501 From: sunny Southern California! - Laguna Surf, CA - MDSV-I, Palm Desert, CA - Maui Sunset, Maui, HI - Buganvilias, PV, Mexico - Grand Velas, NV, Mexico Registered: Sep 2003	posted 03-10-2005 23:37 I would start with Profeco right away. Make sure you send them copies of everything as they will need it anyway. Let the resort know that you are contacting Profeco by sending them a copy of your complaint as they may send your refund sooner so they do not have to deal with Profeco. It must not look good for a timeshare resort that Profeco is getting involved with a dispute. It is Mexican law that you have the right to rescind your contract in five days but most likely, it should have been done in writing to the head office but if you went there in person, they should have given you these instructions in case they could not do it there for you. They know darn well that they lied to you and hoped you would go away. All the links of where to contact Profeco are in this thread. I wish you good luck. Emmy ------------------ Only wished we had read TUG before buying our timeshares in Mexico! IP: Logged

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